Talk:The Wanderer in Bulgar

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[edit] Verifiability issue

Please, don't delet it before some fact isn't checked: this rock opera is provbably the first rock opera in the Tatar language. And it IS NOTABLE threfore.--Üñţïf̣ļëŗ (see also:ә? Ә!) 19:29, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

In order to prevent deletion, you should cite your sources. They're a great way to prove the subject is notable. (Tip:The sources need not be in English.) Puchiko (talk • contribs • email) 20:11, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, it is possible that there is no English languge sources on the www, at this fact was possibly ignored by English speaking media. However, if Russian language proves could be found, aren't they a prove of it's notability? (If not it seems me to be a discrimination by the language... There are many articles on wikipedia, backed only by native language sources) --Üñţïf̣ļëŗ (see also:ә? Ә!) 12:46, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately there is nothing online about opera in any language, with the ecxeption of forums. Formus are ynfortunately not valid references. I uderstand that there is not much in Tatar language online. YOu have to ask people in Tatarstan to go to libraries and to theaters for information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikkalai (talk • contribs) 15:42, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

I would suggest to start from the person who is doubtless notable. There is a prize in his name: "Лауреат премии имени Дамира Сиразиева" Notice the Russian spelling: Дамир Сиразиев `'Míkka 15:30, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

In Tatar Cyrillic he is Дамир Сираҗиев, with Җ being transliterated as C--Üñţïf̣ļëŗ (see also:ә? Ә!) 15:39, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

I know that. I added Russian spelling because as you may know in the Soviet times you never saw Tatar latin and rarely Tatar cyrillic. `'Míkka 15:44, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Дамир Сиразиев (same or not) was also a member of parliament: Когда отдавали машинистке перепечатывать черновик текста Декларации, я и депутат Дамир Сиразиев взяли и восстановили в перепечатке через тире после “ТССР” вычеркнутые комиссией слова “Республика Татарстан”.[ http://www.businesspress.ru/newspaper/article_mId_43_aId_23160.html]`'Míkka 15:33, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Dear admins, contributoirs, Господа! в описании скриншотов я пометил: "The Wanderer in Bulgar" is the previously unknown film. There is a great possibility, that this film (on vhs or other analogue media) is preserved in archives of filming company. Unfortunately, it is of great doubt that it is still obtainable, due to many reorganisations of state-owned-soviet-filming-company. However, since 1989 it was first found in personal archives in Turkey (the person is the friend of starring actor) and degitalised. This "wiki-lizing" is the only way to make it known to the public. Please consider this very NOTABLE. это как новая картина Малевича, до сих пор никому не известная. I sincerely respect the Verifiability (i've worked as research assisstant), but there is no other way to prove. May be (i hope so) in the future.

If it is comparable to Malevich and Siraciev is indeed respected in Tatarstan, why do you have troubles in publishing this sensation in Tatarstan and then come here, with reference? `'Míkka 18:34, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Will partitioned film placed on YouTube constitute a reference for Cast, language, title, opera (as agenre)? Kirmen 18:37, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

No. YouTube is not valid ref to wikipedia. Please also keep in mind that any placing of the film without permision of the author or his rightful descendants is against the law: copyright violation, and there is no guarantee that it will be preserved in Youtube: they routinely delete unlicensed posting. You have to publish this information in "normal" press. A very natural question: where is the proof that it is indeed an old film, and not a hoax? `'Míkka 18:41, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

it's possible to publish here or anywhere in www the screenshots of the movie. or i can present an interview with the poseessor of the (legendary) VHS media. now the degitalized copy is passed through in Kazan, just check out the city forums. the rights - as i told "state-owned-soviet-filming-company" makes it very uncertain. may be Sitaciyev's mother can help. it is of great possibility that record could be found some where in the archives on Usmanov str, in KAzan. this recor was found accidentally while lookoin for the ONE and ONLY recod of Siraciyev's Galiya Banu theatrical show (revolutionary - cancan in such a traditional story!!!), which is according to the "urban legend" spread in KAzan was presented to the artists from Turkey (native Tatars, ingabiting there). Kirmen 18:53, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Look, I am totally sympathizing with you here. You have to publish this in some reputable place, non just at some internet forum or personal website. Please see Wikipedia:Reliable sources for admissible places. The issue is that someone known to be respectful and truthful must verify the information. By the way, I still don't see any explanations from you why it is impossible to publish in Tatarstan. `'Míkka 19:07, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Siraciev

It turns out the article Damir Siraciev was speedy deleted. I restored it. Please quickly fill it in with references until another trigger-happy admin comes. `'Míkka 17:50, 24 October 2007 (UTC)