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[edit] Additions
Here's what I changed:
- "rock and roll band" to "Shoegaze / Alternative Rock" because it was more appropriate - Added the Verve logo
[edit] Emile is the coolist
instead of a text band name
--- Stamped July 11, 2006
Added the result of the Rolling Stones lawsuits (had to resist the urge to say "Verve fans continue to decry the results of the lawsuit while failing to realize the cretinous morons in Verve brought it on themselves) and toned down the hero-worship a little.
What was the result of the lawsuit?
--- Added a little to explain that. Hope its OK as it's my first contribution. batch
Batch: I like the additions. I previously left that detail out, but I think it's good for the readers to know what happened. As long as we prevent a negative POV from surfacing in our contributions I think it's informative for readers to understand just a little about what happened between the Verve and the Rolling Stones
-- TheSunTheSea 03:34, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Wigan is a town, not a city - Wiganner.
Wigan being a town, not a city, although true, is totally irrelevant to this subject, because The Verve are not from Wigan. The members actually dislike being called Wiganers as none of them are.
How can The Verve have no Wigan connections? Ashcroft was born in Billinge Hospital which was in the Billinge area of Wigan (not the village of Billinge in Merseyside). The authors feelings toward this point are irrelevant as the article must refect accurate descriptions of locations connected to the band. Mention should be made of the opinion of the band regarding Wigan, but must not remove or alter accurate points.
- None of the members of The Verve are from Wigan. Ashcroft is from Skelmersdale, regardless of the hospital he was born in. The bands opinion of Wigan is not relevant to the article on the band and their success. Someone who attends a college, somewhere near to Wigan (Winstanley) does not automatically become a native of Wigan. That is a most ridiculous idea.
- Winstanley College is not in Winstanley. It is 3 miles from Wigan town centre. Ashcroft was born in Billinge Hospital which makes him a Wiganer. End of discussion.
Why is it called 'Winstanley College' then and not Wigan College? I'll tell you why, because it's in Winstanley, that's why. Wigan doesn't keep going, and going, on and on. Pemberton is in between Winstanley and Wigan. Wigan starts where the sign says 'Wigan'. You won't know this though, if you are a Wiganer, because most Wiganers can't read!
- online interview. Nick McCabe, asked about the Verve gig at Haigh Hall ....
AS: Right – you wanted it to be special because it was your homecoming show... McCabe: Well, not really…none of us are actually from Wigan... AS: Verve have always been known as a Wigan band? ... McCabe: Well, it's another one of those myths, isn't it?
- You really are an ignorant person aren't you?
I shall post these facts just like I did in the Wigan discussion page
First of all, well done for deliberately missing out important information on your Nick McCabe quote. The full quote is here:-
"AS: Right ? you wanted it to be special because it was your homecoming show. McCabe: Well, not really?none of us are actually from Wigan. AS: Verve have always been known as a Wigan band? McCabe: Well, it's another one of those myths, isn't it? I guess there's some truth to it because the band was formed in Wigan. But no one was born there. We all met in college there."
Link: http://www.excellentonline.com/article.php3?story_id=786
PROOF that they formed in Wigan and therefore have Wigan connections. Those words come from Mccabes own mouth.
Now seeing as we are using quotes from the internet, lets go to The Verves OFFICIAL site. On the front page it clearly states the words:-
"The Verve, from Wigan were formed in 1990"
Link:- http://www.theverve.co.uk/
This is the OFFICIAL site front main page don’t forget. If you also visit the biography page on this official site then you get the following words:-
"The Verve, from Wigan in Lancashire"
Link:- http://www.theverve.co.uk/Qevent.cgi?biography=1
Also on the The Verves official site Richard Ashcroft tells us when he rented a flat in Wigan:-
“When we signed a deal, we got a stash of money. I rented a flat in Wigan and in that flat we just had the most ridiculously indulgent, decadent six months”
Link: http://www.theverve.co.uk/Qevent.cgi?q_e_id=IV010
In another part of this website, they have a few quotes from journalists who reviewed their albums, one of the quotes is:-
"A selection of echoed-out acoustic versions and firing US remixes from the Wigan weirdos"
Link: http://www.theverve.co.uk/Qevent.cgi?q_e_id=R009
Now surely if this band hated Wigan and wanted nothing to do with Wigan then they would not even want the word Wigan quoted on their own website.
Richard Ashcroft, Simon Jones and Peter Salisbury met at Upholland High School
Address:- Upholland High School, Sandbrook Road, WIGAN
Link: http://www.ofsted.gov.uk/reports/119/119751.pdf
They then met Nick Mcabe and formed the band at Winstanley College
Address:- Winstanley College, Winstanley Rd, Billinge, WIGAN
Link: http://www.axcis.co.uk/47925.html
As for the argument futher up this page about Billinge Hospital, the full address of this place is (or more accurately I should say “was” is it no longer exists)
Adress:- Billinge Hospital Upholland Rd, Billinge, WIGAN
Link: http://www.192.com/directory.cfm/WIGAN/HOSPITAL/XB844094CA4A242C0B1B028F24A050FB7
Right, I have quoted links from “the verves” official site but everyone knows that they no longer exist, meaning that site won’t be updated very often, so lets now move on to Richard Ashcroft’s official site as he is now having success as a solo artist.
On the biography page of Richard Ashcroft’s OFFICIAL site, the following quote is mentioned:-
“Verve, a psychedelic rock band he'd formed with three mates at Winstanley College in Wigan”
also mentioned on the same page is the following quote:-
“Ashcroft watched with immense pleasure as his hometown club Wigan Athletic, with whom he played as a junior, have risen to Premiership prominence”
link: http://www.richardashcroft.com/aboutBiography.php
Also on Richard Ashcrofts official site is a section of media press cuttings that have been kept, showing past interviews with Richard and articles on his success.
I will show a few links of these articles along with quotes mentioning Wigan
1. Daily Mail - 20th Jan 06
“Since then, the 34-year-old from Wigan has flattered to deceive"
link: http://www.richardashcroft.com/includes/media/press/DailyMail20jan06.jpg
2. Glamour Magazine - March 06
“Though the band, who met at college in their hometown of Wigan”
Link: http://www.richardashcroft.com/includes/media/press/GlamourMarch06-2.jpg
3. Q magazine – Feb 06
“Born 11th September in Billinge, Wigan”
Link: http://www.richardashcroft.com/includes/media/press/QFeb06-4.jpg
“In 1998 the verve played a huge show in their hometown, Wigan”
Link: http://www.richardashcroft.com/includes/media/press/QFeb06-5.jpg
“there’s a part of me that wants to pull up outside me school in Wigan”
Link: http://www.richardashcroft.com/includes/media/press/QFeb06-6.jpg
4. Telegraph Magazine – Jan 06
“Growing up in Wigan, Ashcroft was mad for football”
Link: http://www.richardashcroft.com/includes/media/press/TelegraphMagazine14jan06-3.jpg
“Before their second gig, supporting a more established Wigan band, Ashcroft declared in the local paper in his first interview, ‘we’re gonna blow ‘em off the stage! This town ain’t big enough for the both of us!’”
“I used to arrive in London sometimes at the record company with no shoes, on the bus from Wigan”
“neglecting to pay the rent on his Wigan flat”
Link: http://www.richardashcroft.com/includes/media/press/TelegraphMagazine14jan06-3.jpg
5. Wigan Observer – May 06
“If you’re talking about Wigan as the place that inspired me, it was the people that inspired me, It was the people that I loved”
Link: http://www.richardashcroft.com/includes/media/press/WiganObserverMay06-1.jpg
“As a kid from Wigan at the age of 17, I had a dream to play a gig in London”
“The Verve’s 1998 35,000 people extravaganza at Haigh Hall, should have become an annual music fetival which will put Wigan on the world music map. ‘Haigh is a very special place to me’ he said. ‘My Mum used take me for walks in the plantations, hand in hand, magical place. That’s why we chose it in 1998’”
Link: http://www.richardashcroft.com/includes/media/press/WiganObserverMay06-2.jpg
If that’s still not enough then you can actually hear richard Ashcroft interviewed on the Chris Moyles (BBC Radio 1 DJ) show podcast. Exactly 21 minutes and 15 seconds into the podcast Richard is talking about playing his first tour of America at Lollapalooza and states the following:-
“playing football with Tibetan monks at the age of 21 from Wigan in places in America that Americans don’t know about”
Link: http://ia301106.us.archive.org/3/items/ChrisMoylesBestof_BestofMoyles_14_07_2006/bestofmoyles_20060714-0700_40_pc.mp3 (This link is a direct download of the podcast)
There are more links I can provide but there is enough evidence here to clearly prove the connections between The Verve, Richard Ashcroft and Wigan.
So from now on please don’t mention that The Verve have nothing to do with Wigan, please don't mention that The Verve are not a Wigan group, please don’t mention that Richard Ashcroft dislikes Wigan and please do not remove Richard Ashcroft from the “notable people” section on the Wikipedia Wigan page.
- NONE of the band members of The Verve originate from Wigan. The band members met at college, 3 miles from Wigan but under Wigan Authority. They practised in Wigan, as well as other places. They played early gigs in Wigan, as well as other places. None of them ever lived in Wigan. Hmmmm....... I'd say they are a band from the North West of England.
- Are those few ignorant self-opinionated sentances supposed to disprove the FACTS that this guy has posted above ? OK you don't like Wigan... who cares, but saying The Verve aren't from Wigan is like saying Oasis aren't from Manchester because they were all born in the suburbs of Manc and not in the city centre. Any reader of this site with a brain can see that people like you who probably live in some nearby 'rival' town (or more likely a small village) just don't like the place and try to disprove anything about Wigan producing something good. I suppose Wigan RL isn't Wigan either because all the players don't all come from Wigan ?
Saying that they practiced in Wigan "and other places" so they aren't from Wigan is like saying the Beatles aren't from Liverpool because they were all from the suburbs around Liverpool city centre and not all born in the cavern club. If the guitarist is from Haydock and the singer & bass player are from up-holland and they met in the centre of Wigan, rehearsed there, lived there and then got signed - i'd pretty much say that makes them a Wigan band whether certain idiots like it or not. But hey, don't believe what I say or anyone else on wikipedia, just go to the offical verve websites for the facts/truth.
THE VERVE: There were enough people around in Wigan in the early 1990s to remember the verve starting off in Wigan ie: practicing in Wigan practice rooms and gigging regularly in Wigan at 'the mill at the pier' with the tansads etc. Obviously they played 'other towns' too like any band tries to but Wigan was their base. I was at wigan technical college at the time and remember it clearly. I first became aware of them when my mate pointed out the bands first single in Alans records in Wigan (no one else ie: HMV, was selling it at the time) it had a pic of the band sat in Wigan park. Myself and loads of other Wiganners went supporting them at Reading Festival in 1994 and I bet Jemmy H wouldn't have minded them being refered to as a Wigan band back then when they were relatively unknown... however now they're famous he takes great trouble, time & effort (and now even uses alias names) to dispute this fact on Wikipedia and other sites.
This page is for people, (Wikipedia quote): "either from, or with SIGNIFICANT CONNECTIONS TO THE TOWN" - Regardless of what I have already said above, for the band to do their HOMECOMING gig in Wigan in 1998 is enough reason alone for them to be listed here. The individual members each have a wikipedia page with their exact birth location (just like "Manchester Band" - The Stone Roses, born in Warrington/Altrincham/Cheshire etc but no one is disputing the Stone Roses Manchester connection.
Some people are bitter towards Wigan (especially those from nearby towns) and would like the place to remain known nationally for nothing other than George Formby and pies but this is not the case, the town has much more character and talent but because it isn't a city like Manchester it doesn't get the recognition or outside interest that it often deserves. People like Jemmy H are just contributing to this pointless negativity and should grow up, forget about 1970's boundries and get up to date. Wigan, like many other northern towns has grown and moved on from the days of coal mining... maybe its time you did as well JemmyH. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.33.132.231 (talk) 21:37, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Bitter Sweet Symphony
"...was the soundtrack for many in the summer of 1997 and is considered one of the finest songs ever written." Source? Who considers it to be "one of the finest songs ever written," aside from the author? Sure, it's catchy, but this is obviously POV. --Myles Long 16:22, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- The cacophony formerly beneath this valid question is a disgrace to Wikipedia and ought not to ever have existed. Grow up. 142.177.105.66 17:23, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Mind your own buisness.--Crestville 17:40, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
8=====D that is a dick
-My impression of the "Bitter Sweet" track (after listening to the ALO original) is that the loop is neither sampled or reversed- it's re-recorded, with a new string section... but otherwise it's totally straightforward. I'll have to find a sample of the ALO "Last Time" for reference.
[edit] Trivia section
Is anyone working on integrating the trivia section into the article? I'm willing to give it a go, but don't want to disturb other peoples work. Wynand.singels 09:48, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
Changed 'alternative rock' to simply 'rock' because alternative rock is a genre used in the US where the music industry seems to be tediously obsessed with identifying every single band with a genre. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.103.58.34 (talk) 11:36, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
