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[edit] Hillsborough

There seems to be some confusion here. The Hillsborough football stadium disaster did not occur 'in Liverpool' as the article suggests but happened in Sheffield instead. Hillsbourough is Sheffield Wednesday's home ground and was chosen as a neutral venue for the F.A. cup semi-final match between Liverpool F.C. and Nottingham Forest. Paul26uk 21:18, Dec 1, 2004

I don't think it's confused, just unclear. Perhaps rephrase it to: "The Sun is notorious in Liverpool for its coverage of the 1989 Hillsborough football stadium disaster"?

Speaking of Hillsborough, I note the article implies The Sun printed what it did, and later discovered the news was false. AIUI, The Sun knew the allegations were false and made them anyway?--MarkGallagher 19:40, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

The whole section about the Sun Hillsborough article is unclear. The main point is that it focuses on reactions in Liverpool and elsewhere but the writer does not mention that the news was false or the background to the false allegations being proved as such. Only by visiting this editing talk section I've come to realize that the news was false. Maybe it is implied because it is a well-known story in England but readers of Wikipedia don't need to know. Was the news false? Why did they fabricate that?

The same is true for the Hillsborough disaster Wikipedia entry: emphasis and long explanation on reactions but no explicit mention of its being true or false. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.23.138.48 (talk) 08:33, August 24, 2007 (UTC)

Well spotted - I've modified the section --Stephen Burnett 09:56, 24 August 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Some missing parts

The Sun is also notorious for using "nazi" words in any context, be it Germany-related or not (not to mention the pet names for Germany and Germans, I wonder if they actually know that Germans are called Germans in English). I don't know the British press but IMHO The Sun is the "best selling" paper using such a language. So were there any controversies in the UK society about this frequent (racist) abuse of Nazi related topics? I can't really believe that this is considered "normal journalistic language" in the UK. ;-) So it would be nice if people that know a bit on the topic could add information about that to the article. A bit off-topic: Considering the "nice" front page currently used in the article The Sun I deeply hope for the royal familiy that The Sun never investigates why the Windsors are celebrating Christmas like in Germany in contrary to the rest of their nation... ;-) Arnomane 19:07, 5 July 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Where to redirect

The Sun (newspaper) is the widest circulation English newspaper. The Sun is the reason life exists on this planet. I don't even see the basis of a debate on where this should redirect to. Marskell 23:15, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

And to anticipate one thing: the only reason you'll find more disambigs for the newspaper is because people feel the need to disambig given that it is the lesser known usage. The Sun is referred to as the Sun. It is a proper noun. It takes the definite article. I would guess that, undabbed, "the Sun" appears literally hundreds of thousands of times in the main space. Marskell 23:29, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
If people want to know about our nearest star, they will put "Sun" into the search box. If they want the newspaper, they will put "The Sun" in. How many people, likewise, are going to put in "The Earth" as opposed to "Earth", or "The United States" instead of "United States"? Definite articles only appear in proper names. David | Talk 23:46, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
For what it's worth, I put "The Sun" in the search box to search for the star about 40 minutes ago, which is why I'm here (I'm being honest--net people invent stuff, but that's what I did). There is a grammatical issue. "Suns" can refer to stars; "the Sun" (a proper noun) refers to our star. You could even argue that this, somewhat exceptional case, should include the definite article in its title (i.e, our Sun article should be moved to this descriptor).
Anyhow, there is an importance issue at work, as well. The Sun is the Sun. The British newspaper isn't going to outlive it. And the British newspaper is just one parochial example amongst many. Toronto (my POB) has a Sun Newspaper too, but if Toronto were London I wouldn't expect my familiar, vernacular usage of "the Sun" to override the obvious (that the ball of fire we all see everyday is the basic denotation for "the Sun"). Marskell 23:58, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
Being all hot and bothered, I changed it without considering redirects. Apologies. I have self-reverted until I have time to do it properly. Marskell 17:29, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Redirect to Sun (disambiguation)

I have redirected the article to Sun (disambiguation) because:

  • There are other things specifically called "The Sun"
  • If someone searching for the newspaper were to type "The Sun" into the search bar, he would be directed to the dab page where he would find the newspaper. This also applies to wikilinks.

If the newspaper truly is that much more popular than any other "The Sun"s, then the newspaper should occupy this spot without the parenthetical dab and have a top-of-the-page dab to Sun (disambiguation) instead. Axem Titanium 23:06, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

I have re-redirected the article to The Sun (newspaper), because:
  • The majority of the articles using the link [[The Sun]] refer to the newspaper.
So if anyone wants this page to point to the disambiguation page, then that person should also please take the trouble of cleaning up the mess and correctly disambiguate all the links pointing to [[The Sun]] as per this article. Thank you very much.
BTW,I agree that the article [[The Sun (newspaper)]] should be moved here to save us all a lot of trouble. ʍαμ$ʏ5043 17:59, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Sun (newspaper) moved to The Sun

I was a bit alarmed to discover (by chance) that The Sun (a redirect) had been deleted, but it's pretty apparent from the above discussion that this was to create space for The Sun (newspaper) to be moved here. No one had performed the move, so I've carried it out myself now. Cheers, DWaterson 20:39, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Archiving

I have merged the talk pages of The Sun and The Sun (newspaper) here and archived all discussions that were dated before approx. Jul-2007 and those that were undated/unsigned. ʍαμ$ʏ5043 07:12, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vocabulary

I dont know any sources to verify this, but someone else could, I see that the Sunis portrayed in no positive light, and a good thing too not that (Im claming it not NPOV, its just factual), so I dont understand why someone else hasnt dded the well known fact (maybe they have but I couldnt see it) that the Sun has editors which prevent vocabulary other tahn an average 9 year-old would understand being inserted into the paper, this isnt derogotary it is a fact I think, and was reported on, but Im not sure of a 'source', perhaps someone could find one por point me in the direction of one.172.202.188.246 22:08, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jingoism

Isn't there another word to replace...whatever this word means? Had to look it up and I still don't really understand it! londonsista | Prod 06:50, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Merger Proposal

It has been proposed that the article on the Irish Sun be merged here, as it is really lacks relevant information and is in reality just a local edition of The Sun. -MichiganCharms (talk) 22:04, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Oppose assuming that the majority of the content and the majority of the staff are different. -- John (Daytona2 · Talk · Contribs) 12:58, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

While you're at it, why not merge the article on the New York Times with one about a Chinese newspaper. They are afterall just local editions of the same outdated boring media. --81.156.46.30 (talk) 18:36, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Support - there is already the section on the Scottish Edition and the Irish Sun page seems to have far less content than this on it so it can easily be absorbed into the main 'The Sun' page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Perry mason (talk • contribs) 18:46, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

So little content that it's a stub. So I also support a merge. Digifiend (talk) 12:02, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Controversy

I have deleted the section on The Sun calling for the return of the death penalty in Feb 2008 following three high-profile killings. This is not so. The Sun's editorial column specifically ruled it out, though the paper did give voice to the victim's relatives, who did call for the return of capital punishment. The mention of the Tony Martin case is thus irrelevant. Besides, he successfully appealed his murder conviction, so he would never have been executed anyway. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.252.80.100 (talk) 11:44, 8 April 2008 (UTC)