Talk:The Order of Christ Sophia

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Dear Web Managers,

I added several third party references on the Order of Christ Sophia last week. This was to improve the notability of the article. I'm not able to find the article anymore - could you please tell me what happened? Is there more I need to do to help keep this page up?

Thanks

Lucy

Lucy, Even though you added third party references, almost all of the information about doctrine, holy books, and practices is still without citation. It needs to be objective and verfiable. Carinamc (talk) 16:11, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Lucy or whoever is working on this, I think a good start would be to footnote the sections Carinamc mentions to the appropriate parts of the various books by Bowes (The Radical Path, The Word Within, Spiritual Astrology) and Watts (Giving Birth to God). I could do this, but it would take a fair bit of time. Someone more immediately conversant with these books could probably do a faster/better job. John7137 (talk) 19:17, 4 February 2008 (UTC)John7137

[edit] clean up/rewrite

This article could use a serious edit for length and staying on point as well as point of view. Anyone interested? --Stormbay (talk) 03:10, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Now that this article has several secondary sources over the span of several years, is there any reason to keep the non-notable tag on it? Is there any reason I can't remove that myself? - L —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.145.168.173 (talk) 22:51, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

I've removed the non-notable tag. The article can stay in Wikipedia. As with many many many pages here, a rewrite would be very beneficial. --Montchav (talk) 03:36, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

When you mention a rewrite, what types of issues do you mean? What would need to be addressed in a rewrite? Thank you in advance for the help so we can make this article the best it can be. -L —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.145.168.173 (talk) 19:10, 24 November 2007 (UTC) Interesting that there is no mention in the article of the NLP techniques being used by the heads of the organization —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.56.49.1 (talk) 03:05, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I went through and removed obviously incorrect statements and corrected some scholarly references, but someone really needs to specifically cite where all the information about doctrine, holy books, etc., comes from. Carinamc (talk) 04:47, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

I question objectivity here, due to some recent edits. Someone removed the statement (which I had added) that Raeson Ruiz was never formally given the right to ordain priests and teachers within the Holy Order of MANS, but rather claimed this right later on the basis of a personal spiritual experience. I did not add this as any kind of judgment on the validity of Ruiz's experience or the ordinations which have followed (who am I say anything about that?), but because this fact underlies much of the controversy between the OCS and other groups derived from the Holy Order of MANS. (To give a parallel example, John Wesley began ordaining Methodist ministers although he was never given the right to ordain (via episcopal consecration) in the Church of England, and one needs to understand that fact in order to grasp historical and current Anglican-Methodist discussions about holy orders.) It's just a fact - not a cricitism.

Also, someone removed the set of references to source material for more detailed information (in some cases, directions and full descriptions) of the intiatory practices of this tradition. Again, why? I don't dispute that these sections could have benefitted from re-write, more context, etc, and I certain don't want to engage in a spat of "undo" and "delete," but I am concerned that the pattern of deletion may indicate a desire to avoid controversy, and to discourage access to openly available information which some parties may consider private. John7137 (talk) 16:14, 25 February 2008 (UTC)160.129.157.195 (talk) 16:26, 25 February 2008 (UTC)