Talk:The North Star (1943 film)

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Contents 1 Communist influence in Hollywood 2 Destruction of Guerrilla Bases during the Great Terror 3 Further reading 3.1 Validity of the Term Genocide 4 Removal of "needs infobox" tag 5 So F*cking Biased

[edit] Communist influence in Hollywood

As the existence of this film, and the two others cited, demonstrate, the idea that pro-Communist Hollywooders were making pro-Communist propaganda was not just a fantasy of HUAC and Sen. Joe McCarthy. In March of 2007, what many consider the definitive refutation of the generations of lies and slanders against McCarthy, will becoming out in Blacklisted By History: The Real Story of Joseph McCarthy and His Fight Against America's Enemies by M. Stanton Evans. A short summary of the book can be found in Ann Coulter's bestseller Slander.

PainMan 12:04, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Destruction of Guerrilla Bases during the Great Terror

Although many guerrilla bases had been set up in the 1930s under the leadership of the Red Army's commander and proponent of modern, armored warfare Mikhail Tukhachevsky (shot after being tortured into making a phoney confession of plotting against Stalin; in the 60's forensically verifiable bloodstains were found on his "confession")--as a contingency against just such an invasion--they were almost all destroyed by Stalin during his murderous purge of the Red Army in 1936-38; this greatly hindered the fight against the German invaders behind the lines during World War II. Again see Conquest, The Great Terror, Chapter 7 "Assault on the Army", second ed. 1990, Oxford Press).

Bases for partisans had to reconstructed after the German invasion in territory under control of Himmler's murderous SS & Gestapo. Even so, Stalin always viewed partisans and guerillas with his "sickly suspicion" (as Khruschev was to put it after the former's death) and, at first, neither much help or encouragement was given to either civilians or Red Army soldiers caught behind German lines. Later, the partisans would be organized, and regular officers infiltrated in to take command of the groups. However, as in France and Yugoslavia (two other areas where partisan effectiveness were both exaggerated and romanticized), Soviet partisans did little to disrupt the German war machine. (An organized chain of well-supplied bases and special forces in place, as Tukhachevsky apparently intended, might have been far more effective against the German onslaught.)

Only the juggernaut of the Red Army, once it had recovered from both Stalin's insane purge (half the officer corps were shot, imprisoned or sent to labor camps in the 1936-38 "Great Terror") and the immense damage done to it by Hitler's legions, was really effective against the Wehrmacht. Hitler's orders to use terror tactics against the local population to discourage aid to partisans only strengthened resistance to the Nazi invaders.

If the partisans were ineffective, the ridiculously stupid refusal of Hitler to use, in particular, Ukrainian hatred of the Soviet regime against it, ensured that the warm welcome his soldiers received was short-lived and the Ukrainians, along with the Great Russians and other peoples of the Soviet Union, were soon enthusiastically fighting the German Army.

Speaking of Tukhachevsky, one shouldn't feel too sorry for him. During the famous peasant rebellion in Tambov province after the Russian Civil War, he used poison gas to crush the last resisters to the Soviet regime. What is appalling, is that Stalin would gut his own military machine when an virulently anti-Communist and anti-Slav (Hitler's untermenschen" or "sub-humans" along with the Jews, Gypsies and most everyone else he hated) and openly expansionist Germany was at his very border.

PainMan 12:04, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Further reading

Those looking for more information about the "Great Terror" of '36-38 and the Ukrainian genocide and terror-famine are directed to Robert Conquest's The Great Terror and The Harvest of Sorrow. Both, as of this writing (Jan 2007) are in print.

For the story of the Stalin's war against Germany (and the Soviet military machine) the best books on the subject (considered, like Conquest on Stalin's purges, to be so by Russians as well as Western scholars) are The Road to Moscow and The Road to Berlin by Scottish Prof. John Erickson. Tho' out of print for years, both have been recently reprinted in very nice trade paperback editions; Erickson's books, in particular, are filled with detailed sources, Soviet, German, English, and American. They are indispensible for any student or anyone interested in the Soviet military and the Soviet-German War. (Even if some consider Erickson's tomes to be overfilled with detail, sometimes down to the platoon level, the books are still the best there are.)

>>>All four books are available on Amazon.com and Amazon UK.<<<

PainMan 12:03, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Validity of the Term Genocide

I admittedly know very little of the circumstances surrounding the Ukrainian famine but some cursory research tells me that the term genocide is not universally accepted (and this is acknowledged on other wikipedia articles dealing with this topic such as Holodomor. Are there any suggestions as to what it could be changed to in this article, I understand this is a charged subject for many people but it is important that the technically correct term be used. 89.18.70.74 (talk) 09:50, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of "needs infobox" tag

This article has had its infobox tag removed by a cleanup using AWB. Any concerns please leave me a message at my talk page. RWardy 17:42, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] So F*cking Biased

This article is so irracionaly McCarthian, I could swear he wrote it himself. That "Soviet Propaganda" thing and the citation to that British moron makes me sick. An Enciclopedia should have critic and neutral content. This article doesn´t even have a plot synopsis! It is only a hysteric attack on Communism/Socialism. I believe this deserves to be properly redone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.141.189.231 (talk) 18:28, 24 March 2008 (UTC)