Talk:The Memoirs of Naim Bey
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[edit] Merge proposal
I propose to merge Aram Andonian to this article. The only claim to fame of Andonian is his authorship of this book, and apart from one brief sentence in the Aram Andonian article, all its content is about the book and the telegrams therein. --Lambiam 20:28, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
I also strongly propose to merge Aram Andonian to this article. What is wrong with merging the author and what he wrote? (Karpuzpeynir (talk) 17:42, 8 January 2008 (UTC))
[edit] No merge needed!
I am strongly against a merge of the articles The Memoirs of Naim Bey with Aram Andonian. This proposal shows complete disregard for the upmost interesting biography of Aram Andonian and his works - journalistic as well as novels. He was an eyewitness to the Armenian Genocide and the Balkan wars. If you have ever seen his Armenian book on the Balkan Wars which was reedited recently in Turkish (!) [[1]] you would quickly agree with me. The Balkan Wars led to WWI. Because of the Balkan Wars there were so many moacirs (displaced Muslims from the Balkans who simply became Christian haters; they were settled in Armenian provinces - either out of necessity or of power play of the Ottoman government or both....
The Memoirs of Naim Bey [in the original Armenian edition: Մեծ Ոճիրը; The Great Crime] are just one chapter. Make a link in his works to the article The Memoirs of Naim Bey. And you can write pages and pages about the authenticity (main subject of revisionists) and the differences of the French, English editions and the Armenian original.
From a biographic point of view (he was deported to Çankırı in 1915, escaped, only to join another deportation caravan to Aleppo and further into the deserts and death camps and witnessed all the horrors) he is important. From a historic point of view (Historiy of the Balkan Wars [Պատկերազարդ Ընդարձակ Պատմութիւն Պալքանեան Պատերազմին]) he is still important and stays still from a literary point of view (In those dark days, his Shirvanzadeh Biography [Շիրվանզադէ. Կենսագրական Նօթեր]) there is a LOT more to write about Aram Andonian. Read what Hagop Oshakan, Armenian literary critic using Freudian theories, has written about the literary works of Aram Andonian. And you will see I am right! Apocolocynthosis (talk) 23:58, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] A Turkish View on Authenticity
A Turkish scholar doesn't want to enter into a debate over authenticity at the moment but stresses: It is possible to prove that at least some of the published and unpublished documents in the possession of scholars share the same contents as documents published by Andonian... p. 378 Taner Akçam: A Shameful Act: The Armenian Genocide and the Question of Turkish Responsibility, Metropolitan Books, New York 2006 ISBN 978-0-8050-7932-6 --> To be continued in the forthcoming book Denial and Rewriting History by Taner Akçam. Apocolocynthosis (talk) 00:19, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Deletion proposal
@78.160.152.145 - I suggest you delete the chapter The forgeries of Aram Andonian or integrate its content properly with a sentence or two and notes into the text. What you did is copy paste not to say almost vandalism. This is not appropriate. Apocolocynthosis (talk) 13:29, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Copyright
To whomever copypasted the material, welcome to wiki, you are welcome to contribute, but you can't copy-paste material from websites. Please see WP:Copyright VartanM (talk) 04:29, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
