Talk:The Jesus Family Tomb

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Contents 1 Criticism 2 James Tabor 3 Date of Find 4 Whose wife?

[edit] Criticism

Someone recently added this passage to the article:

The book has been hailed by scholars, such as Dr. James Tabor, as "exceptionally well written, utterly riveting, and it lays out most of the facts related to the discussion".

I removed this line because it is unattributed, and a search of news sources and the Internet in general failed to come up with such a quote. (Is it from the book's jacket? If so, it should not be used as an example of praise for the book, since clearly the authors and publisher are not going to include anything but praise on the jacket.)

Also, I find this passage misleading, because while it may have "been hailed by scholars," it is my impression that by far most legitimate scholars either have a negative view of this entire "Jesus family tomb" matter or, at the very least, are highly skeptical of it. It would be more accurate, I believe, to say that "some scholars have hailed the book, although most regard it with skepticism or even contempt," or words to this effect -- which based on media reports seems to me a more accurate accessment of the book's reception by scholars.

Finally, if we're going to cite praise for the book, we need to site negative criticism, too, otherwise the article will look like an advertisement. --Skb8721 03:01, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Let's leave out the word contempt :) Mathiastck 19:23, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] James Tabor

A little searching on the Net shows that Dr. James Tabor is involved with the documentary that accompanies the book The Jesus Family Tomb and in fact was present as a sympathetic panelist at the Discovery Channel's recent public relations event announcing the film's forthcoming release. Therefore, I don't think he should be cited as a scholar who praises the book, since he clearly has a conflict of interest (being an insider on the project and not an independent reviewer).

See this Discovery Channel press release. --Skb8721 03:10, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

James Tabor was indeed active in the research for the film and is releasing his own book shortly that will be, hopefully, more scholarly. There is some activity I've been involved with at his article with another person. If any of y'all would, I'd appreciate some input, as I'm a real newbie to all this. I think as it stands it does not have a neutral point of view. Thanks. Reverend Mommy 14:51, 7 March 2007 (UTC)candlemb

Indeed, all praise and criticism should be carefully cited, attributed and footnoted. Please note it is "cite," not "site." Erudil 17:44, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Date of Find

I added a small data point about the actual date of the find. My understanding is that when the tomb was found, its discoverers dutifully cataloged it and thought nothing of it. In fact, having seen all the evidence presented by the crew now announcing this great find, the original discoverers STILL believe there is nothing big to this story. At any rate, that's what I've heard. The only part I can back up at the moment is the date of the find, which I have added to the article and referenced. I believe that a thorough section on criticism of this book is necessary. I only wish that I had the time to do it! CrimsonLine 11:58, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Whose wife?

The authors of the book claim that since Mariamne is not genetically related to Yeshua, she must be his wife. However, logically, she could be the wife of Yehuda, Yasua, Matiah, or Yaakov.Erudil 17:58, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Or even a friend of the family! The Gospels record that Joseph of Arimathea offered his new family tomb to bury Jesus in, a man unrelated to him in any way. Regardless of what you think happened to the body of Jesus historically, the fact that such an offer could be made in this story shows that it's not unthinkable to a first-century mindset.CrimsonLine 12:45, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

The offer of Joseph of Arimathea was of an unused tomb. A typical first century Hebrew family would not include friends of the family in their family tomb. However, the teachings of Christ would seem to allow for those in the "Family of God." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.15.221.251 (talk) 05:16, 19 March 2008 (UTC)