Talk:The Horse and His Boy

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Contents 1 Discussion 2 Exodus 3 Likely film? 4 Order in Infobox 5 Lion 6 Fair use rationale for Image:Horseandhisboy.jpg 7 Vandalism on 6 March 2008 8 Text regarding "possible error in logic" moved from article -

[edit] Discussion

I've tagged this as needing cleanup -- the plot "summary" is about five times as long as it should be. Somebody should be ruthless in editing this. -- Ferdinand Pienaar 06:42, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

This is ridiculous. I cleaned this article yesterday, shortening it to a couple of paragraphs, and it's now reverted back to how it originally was. It took me quite a while to clean it up, as well. Not happy.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.26.206.130 (talk) 20:46, 7 June 2005

Okay, I've cleaned it up. MaryAnderson (203.26.206.130) (talk) 07:52, 9 June 2005

[edit] Exodus

I think the fact that The Horse and his Boy is clearly a retelling of the Exodus story needs to be emphasized more. Shasta is guided down the river in a basket as a child, just like Moses. He escapes across the desert (a stand in for the Sinai desert), past the tombs of the kings (a stand in for the pyramids), meets Aslan on the top of a mountain (just as Moses met with God) and escapes first to Archenland (a stand in for Midian) and then to Narnia (a stand in for the Promised Land), etc. Joey1898 23:52, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Sure, beef that section up some. What you've written here would be a good place to start. Of course, make sure you site sources for the matterial. LloydSommerer 02:37, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Current statements in the article are good. Lets make sure we don't go overboard. THAHB is *not* a retelling of Exodus. The Pevensies were already firmly established as 'righteous' kings and queens of Narnia at the beginning, which is the complete opposite of Exodus when Canaan was ruled by 'pagan' tribes and needed to be conquered by God's people. Let's not make parallels with Exodus a major section - just 1 or 2 paragraphs under Commentary I would suggest. --DreamsReign 00:20, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

I don't really see this (OP's premise) at all; this is NOT a retelling of Exodus. Quill 03:54, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Likely film?

I think the statement at the very end of the article is a bit out there, really. There's been little indication, aside from Adamson's hope-I-get-to-be-director claim that he wants to do all seven[1], that there's anything like a goal to make this film. Of all the books, Horse and Nephew are the two least likely to be made, at this very early stage of the franchise[2], simply because they involve the Pevensies only in minor ways (if at all). The filmmakers have said in interviews other than those already cited that the priority in production order is doing those that involve the Pevensie children quickly before they grow up too much. Calling a film probably a decade a way "likely"--if the franchise is still even doing good business by then--is just way too strong.CzechOut 07:20, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Order in Infobox

The info box says the book was proceeding by Lion and followed by Caspian. While this is choronolocially correct, it was publish as the sixth book. Should the info box reflect this? --Jvsett 16:54, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

I have asked this question before and was told that it should reflect the reading order of the books. --NeilEvans 17:09, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

All the books are listed in published order now, and I believe they should stay that way.--roger6106 20:13, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

I am a bit suprised that no one has mentioned the anti-Islam theme of this book. I am not Islamic, but when I read it, it was not hard to see that the "bad guys" are given arabic names and titles (grand vizir, tisroc) and live in a desert area, wear turbans, etc. In the later "final battle" book, they are accused by Lewis of worshipping a false God. All the Lion-worshipers (Christians) go to heaven, while the Tisroc folks generally do not (one token soldier is apparently allowed in). It really is Islam-bashing if you look at it. Well, at least that's the way I read it.

For that reason alone, I don't think it would be made into a movie - not because of the other issues noted above. If this was released as a movie, it would cause a riot in the Islamic worlds. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.142.130.15 (talk) 23:13, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lion

Should it be mentioned that Aslan is the lion that attacks Aravis?--roger6106 20:13, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Horseandhisboy.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 22:47, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationales have now been included on the image description pages of both fair use book cover images included in this article. --Lini (talk) 06:42, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism on 6 March 2008

This page has been vandalised recently with words changed slightly to turn it into sexual innuendo, I think I got rid of it all though. Unregistered user, 06/03/08 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.151.140.130 (talk) 17:01, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Text regarding "possible error in logic" moved from article -

I've moved the following text out of the article (it had originally been in the Commentary and Notes section, which I renamed to Themes and Motifs when restructuring section headers in February 2008.) My reason for moving it is that, the note about the possible slight error in logic, while I agree is technically correct, per a reading of the novel, has no source cited, hence could be original research, and also does not seem of enough significant import to an analysis of the book, to be included in an article of this (relatively short) length. I have included it here on the talk page in case others disagree and believe the article would be improved by adding it back in. The last few sentences below, mentioning the effect of meeting Aslan on the characters, is, I believe, thematically important, and should be re-introduced, with citation, however, and should read less like part of a plot summary. Perhaps this text was originally part of the plot summary and then was moved to Commentary and Notes at a time before my first experience with this article.

When the horses and Aravis prepare to leave the Hermit's house and resume their journey to Narnia, Hwin reminds them they need to say goodbye to Shasta. This may represent a slight error in the logic of the book, since they do not know at this point Shasta's true identity and that he would be staying in Archenland. On the other hand, after helping to save Archenland from the oncoming assault, there's no reason why he would leave immediately. They assume that he must be in Anvard, but before they can leave to see him, their plan is interrupted by a 'visitor' none other than Aslan himself. Later, they are visited again, this time by Shasta, who to their amazement is actually Cor, the crown prince of Archenland. The effect of the two visits leaves each of them a better horse, or person, as the case may be.

Thanks, Lini (talk) 02:17, 5 May 2008 (UTC)