Talk:The Famous Five (series)
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[edit] The Surname Debate
[edit] Jul/Aug 2006
Since it is not clear what surname the four children bear, and it is scarcely an issue in the books, couldn't we just list the characters without surnames, as they appear in the books? And alter the linked stubs from (e.g.) "Julian Kirrin" to "Julian (Famous Five)". Myopic Bookworm 16:53, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
- The question is only of the surname of Julian, Dick and Anne; George's is explicitly stated many times. Since both names are referred to in the books, I don't see the point of completely removing the information, as it does not take up much of the article and is a point of interest. Whether the most plausible surname is Kirrin or Barnard is debatable (Kirrin was listed as it seems to be the most popularly accepted and, as far as I know, the name used in the television adaptations), but it is not Bannard, as the article had previously stated. And I 17:32, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
- No, I wouldn't want to remove the information, but listing the characters as "Julian Kirrin" etc. seems to foreclose the debate. (And book-purists will not take kindly to having the TV series taken as canonical.) I'd refer to them by first name, and keep the note about surname. Myopic Bookworm 09:08, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
- Fair enough point, I must have misread. And I 14:48, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
- In Five go to Billycock Hill, the five are introduced as "Julian Kirrin, Dick Kirrin, Anne Kirrin, and George Kirrin, their cousin - and their dog Timothy"
- Fair enough point, I must have misread. And I 14:48, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
- No, I wouldn't want to remove the information, but listing the characters as "Julian Kirrin" etc. seems to foreclose the debate. (And book-purists will not take kindly to having the TV series taken as canonical.) I'd refer to them by first name, and keep the note about surname. Myopic Bookworm 09:08, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.7.47.195 (talk) 05:06, 18 March 2007 (UTC).
[edit] Feb 2007
In a review of Five Get Into a Fix on enidblyton.net[1] the reviewer, Keith Robinson, says "I've been told that in the original books Julian's mother is referred to as Mrs Barnard. There's no mention of her name in the later version I have, and I have to assume it's been altered due to the fact that it's a glaring error on Blyton's part—for as we all know, Julian's father is Uncle Quentin's brother, which makes both families Kirrin".
I believe that the assertion ...Julian's father is Uncle Quentin's brother... is substantiated in Five on a Treasure Island, so it appears that the surname of all the children is Kirrin, and Blyton made a mistake in FGIAF which was later corrected. Does anyone have the relevant editions of FGIAF so this could be substantiated? RichardEll 11:09, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
The following note was taken from the The_Famous_Five_(characters) article on 26.02.2006 RichardEll 21:04, 26 February 2007 (UTC) There is debate about whether Julian, Dick and Anne share George's surname of Kirrin (as shown in Five on Finniston Farm), which would imply that their father was brother to Uncle Quentin, or whether their surname is Barnard (as their mother is referred to as "Mrs Barnard" in Five Get into a Fix). However, it seems unlikely that George's surname could have been Kirrin, because it is explained in one of the stories that Kirrin Island belonged to George's mother, who then made a gift of it to George. So Kirrin would have been Aunt Fanny's maiden name. Referring to Uncle Quentin as Professor Kirrin seems to have been an error in the seventies TV series.
- To complicate matters further, it's not that unusual for a man to take his wife's surname (or combine them) when she brings property into the family. Maintaining the name is important in some circles. So Kirrin could well be Quentin's surname and not his brother's. Timrollpickering (talk) 20:10, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Lashings of ginger beer
"with lashings of ginger beer" - an oft-quoted cliché but never actually mentioned in any of the 21 books
Wasn't this "cliché" coined by The Comic Strip when they made the spoof Five Go Mad In Dorset in 1982? 217.155.20.163 00:00, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] "Extremely outdated"
The first books in the series were written during the 1940s, and some of the basic concepts can now seem extremely outdated.
Is it really necessary to point out that books written 60 years ago may contain "outdated concepts"? 217.155.20.163 23:17, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Rewritten books
I understand that the editions currently on sale have been rewritten to remove some of the more objectionable stereotypes ("nasty common children") and the use of certain words whose meanings have changed ("a pile of coke"). Other children's books that have stayed in print as long have not been altered in this way, e.g. the Narnia series, or E. Nesbit, so it seems worthy of comment. Does anyone have citable details? BrainyBabe 01:47, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
The current editions have also re-christened Aunt Fanny as Aunt Franny. Smurfmeister 15:58, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
- Current editions of which books, and since when? 2001 UK editions of the Famous Five books (still in print as of 2007) say Aunt Fanny, not Franny. Don't get me wrong, I can cite some minor differences from the 1940s/1950s editions - some of which are inexplicably silly - but the idea that the books have been entirely "rewritten" is rubbish.
- Also, I haven't seen any references to "a pile of coke" in any Blyton books, but I assume that the "changed meaning" refers to the branded soft drink available in supermarkets, rather the white powder beloved of workshy bankers and media executives (the likes of which are about as alien to a typical modern child reader as a 1940s childhood). AdorableRuffian (talk) 01:55, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
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- I'd guess it's more likely to be Coke (fuel) than the beverage. Murray-Mint-UK (talk) 01:10, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] New TV Series
I just added a new sub-section about the upcoming animated TV series, then realised there was already a section about it at the end of the article (doh!). However, I decided that it would be more appropriate to list the 2008 series after the 1978 and 1996 series, rather than in its own section right at the very end, even though the new series is not about the original characters. My new bit moreover contains information that I have just found on the Chorion Web site. So I have now merged the two sections and deleted the "New Series" section at the end. In doing so, I endeavoured to include as much info from the old section as possible. But I deleted the comment about it being debatable whether the TV series will be true to the spirit of the books. Just personally, I share the scepticism of many Enid Blyton fans about it, but such a comment is subjective, and it is important for Wikipedia articles to remain as objective as possible.
Nzyowie 10:59, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
It says in the article, On the 28th August 2007, it was announced on the BBC News website that a revival of The Famous Five is being developed [7]. Julian, Dick, Anne and Georgina were all going to be in the story - now all as adults in their forties;.... This is hardly likely as the actress who played George, Michelle Gallagher, died in the early 2000s. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.77.115.37 (talk) 15:32, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
It says THE CHARACTERS are going to be in the new series, not the original actors! Smurfmeister 15:59, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Famous.jpg
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[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Famousfive 198.jpg
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BetacommandBot (talk) 06:43, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
this page needs more information about whats inside the book
