Talk:The Family (Christian political organization)

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The following is not NPOV:

The organization, which strives to be "invisible", has been the subject of recent media attention as being overly secretive. This attention though is generally the product of journalists who despite being extremely intelligent, seem completely unable to make the distinction between an organisation which is secretive about its activities, and a group which chooses not to publicise its activities.

The above makes implications about the journalist's intellegence with regard to the secrecy/invisibility issue that are opinion and not NPOV. What is meany by "invisible" needs to be clarified. The alledged secrecy issue is debatable and their are those who claim that the group has a secret plan to create a bible-based goverment, free of the seperation of church and state. This article should address the controversial aspects of this group better. --Cab88 15:02, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

I think it is interesting that the only documentation on this group anywhere comes from left leaning groups. This comes as no surprise since the membership of the group, overwhelmingly right leaning, maintains a great interest in secrecy. As a result, the available literature on The Family paints them as an extremist, sometimes fascist organization. This fact makes it very difficult to paint an unbiased picture of the group --Nscheibel 17:09, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Isn't there a cult that calls itself "The Family"?

Yes, the Children of God, also known as the Family of Love, follows a leader called Dave Berg (a.k.a. "Moses David"). --Dawud —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.60.55.9 (talk) 12:01, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fellowship

You recently re-added some misleading information to the "Fellowship article" that I had removed based on my research of the orgins of this oranization (including Vereide's biography) and personal contact with some you are associated with this group. Based on primary sources, that has also been summed up in their archives, Vereide organized breakfast groups "to pray about perceived IWW and Socialist subversion and corruption in Seattle, Washington's municipal government. Group began to meet regularly and expanded to include government officials, labor leaders, etc." To highlight socialism as a primary reason of gathering is misleading and affects the integrity of this article. In fact, just as the information at the archives suggest, labor leaders were also included. In fact, one of the biggest breakthroughs for this group (whose primary focus has been reconciliation) was gathering big business leaders and labor leaders together to pray...and to continue to meet in that spirit of reconciliation. You will also find in the archives evidence that socialist-leaning politicians also participated in some of these prayer groups. The huge success of this movement was because of the reconciliation that brought people together from different beliefs and backgrounds. If you do proper research, you will see that this is one of the biggest criticisms of the current National Prayer Breakfasts by many christian leaders; muslims, jews, buddhists, etc play key roles in the program among christians. I would ask that you remove these statements for the integrity of the article. Thank you Politico777 13:00, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Evidence rules the day. Got citations? PRRfan 23:10, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, please read our policy on attribution. Doing your own personal research, based on personal contacts, is an unacceptable source of information (see our policy on original research) and a violation of our guideline on reliable sources. You may not agree with such policies and guidelines; if you do not, please go elsewhere. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 03:02, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hillary Clinton?

What is her purpose of participating in this organization? Did she do so just in order to make her platform more attractive to the conservative side? I've lost all the respect for her.

See Carroll Quigley, Bill Clinton's professor at Georgetown. A caricature of his work is conspiracy theories, about CFR, Trilateral Commission, and the like, but he was a scholarly professor of history. Quigley warned about elite cliques forming; but the impressionable and ambitious Bill took this as a roadmap, rather than a warning. Hillary's quest for power follows the same path.

[edit] Douglas Coe merits a biographical page

Coe was the founder of this group in the 1960s. He is a hero of Al Gore. Who is he? What was his education? His roots? Parents? Upbringing? Siblings? Is he married? Kids? His own beliefs? Career path? Surely this merits more than a redirect to this group.

Fisher-Smith: Who are the people who inspire you? Who have been your heroes?

Al Gore: Jefferson. His essential genius, and his understanding of the human spirit. About heroes I might have right now [...:] Alexei Yablokov is the leading environmentalist in Russia, and a real tower of integrity. Sherwood Rowland, the scientist who alerted us to the problem of ozone depletion, is a hero to me. [...] Wangari Matthai, a woman in Kenya who started a tree-planting movement [...]. Outside the environmental movement, I have a friend named Doug Coe who devotes his life to the message of Christ in a completely nondenominational, noninstitutional way. He just lives it, and is incredibly loving and strong.

DBrnstn (talk) 17:50, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

I second that, but according to a recent NBC report, very little is known of Coe. However they did obtain exclusive footage showing his rather curious speaking style - he compares devotion to Jesus with the blind allegiance the Nazis had for Hitler. He also compares Jesus to China's Mao.VatoFirme (talk) 16:37, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Based on this discussion, I've created a stub article for Douglas Coe. Note that according to the Family article (and other sources) he did not found the Family, Abraham Vereide did. mennonot (talk) 01:38, 15 June 2008 (UTC)