Talk:The Don Killuminati: The 7 Day Theory

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[edit] suge shot me

suge shot me

the article says this: In the first few seconds of the song "Intro/Bomb First (My Second Reply)" on the album The Don Killuminati: The 7 Day Theory, Shakur can be heard saying "Shoulda shot me".[42][43] Many theorists mistook the statement as "Suge shot me" or "Suge shot 'em" until confirmation by multiple audio tests and confirmation from members of The Outlawz.

I read the philadelphia weekly, and it does not say anything about the song. In addition, the other citiation, the mtv big urban myths cannotbe founded.

It seems to me that khadfi said "suge shot me" at the beginning of the song. The shoulda shot me just does not make logical sense since people did shoot him.

Where is the source for this multiple audio tests?

It was on MTV awhile back. You yourself can even slow down the audio and clearly hear it. It's "Shoulda shot me". License2Kill 17:31, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Was it finished before his death

How certain is it that this album was completely finished _before_ Tupac's death? I have read several articles that claim the album was rushed into his final form, because Death Row wanted to cash in on Shakur' death. FUCK B.I.G

Because it's a known fact. It was created in 7 days (3 days if you only count writing and recording) during the month of August, hence the name. Anyone telling you differently doesn't know what there talking about License2Kill 17:22, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

I keep reading this 7 days statement. But an album is not finished when it is recorded. i seriously doubt 2pac ever heard the end result. I also doubt a bit wether he had something to do with the name. I wonder if all that stuff wasn't publicity talking.

It's a fact that the album was finished before his death. Just because you doubt it doesn't mean anything.


Just because you say it is, even less.....


It took 3 days for him to write and record the lyrics and another 4 days for producing. This was all done during the month of August. License2Kill 01:28, 21 September 2006 (UTC)


I am sorry, I just don't buy that. It might have been written in 3 days (though it is unlikely), then recorded in 4, but there is a lot more work involved. Mixing, mastering, etc. But hey, I see you see this your private party and you want nothing to do with the contributions of other people....

The album was written and recorded in 3 days and the producing and mixing was done in the next four days. It doesn't matter whether you "buy it" or not, the producers of the album were their and confirmed this. It is a known fact. For example, the album came out November 5th, 1996 that is a known fact whether someone would "buy it" or not. License2Kill 18:47, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

I believe the producers had every reason to claim this. Comparing it to a verifiable fact like a release date makes no sense. Fact is that there were almost two months between release an the death of Shakur. I seriously doubt nobody worked on finishing that album in those two months. It's just common sense. I believe the seven days story is hype.

It doesn't matter, there is a fine line between fact and your opinion. Albums have to be finalized a few months before the release date License2Kill

Is there a link to cite that the producers confirmed this? I work in the music industry, and have heard this as well, however tell an engineer that and he will laugh, its not possible. If you are talking about having no song concepts, no riffs, no lyrics, no song structures...nothing at all, then 7 days later a completed album finished to commercial standards then i don't what to say. My guess is, there was some preparation then they did the bulk of it in 7 days. and234jkohsn

It's a well known fact Tupac would record 3-5 tracks a day. License2Kill 20:05, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

At the risk of repeating myself, is there a link to cite that the producers confirmed this? Recording tracks is one thing, but alot of preparation goes into creating the music, mixing, mastering, re-recording parts once the artist has left. I'm just saying that i'm sure he recorded all that he had to do in that time, but i doubt the entire project was completed in that time frame. and234jkohsn.

It's a well known fact, refer to the October 2003 issue of XXL Magazine. The entire project was finished in 7 days, it took 3 days for Tupac to write and record the lyrics and it was mixed down in the remaining 4 days. License2Kill 20:17, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit]  ??

did he really sell 28 million records world wide

As of 1998, yes. License2Kill 04:05, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

No it didnt. That is a true legal document, but an untrue statement. Haitian Jack said that to make his "defamation of character" inflated to so many people. Michael Jackson's Thriller album is the highest worldwide selling album ever at 25.7 million, anyway.

thats true and thriller sold more than 75 mio. world wide and also in usa more than 50 mio., u can read it also in many books, so i put it back in......just look at the most selling labums world wide thriller from michael jackson is stated at no.1 with 100 mio. so i think u aint informed enough....anyway in a pac docu it's said that also in the end of 1999 the album had sold world wide 20 mio...... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.225.112.236 (talk) 12:39, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Long comment

Where is the evidence that 2pac said "shoulda shot me" and not "suge shot me" at the beginning of the album? Where is the citation? Where is the proof that that is even him, I read somewhere that someone else added it after 'Pac's death. There needs to be a citation or a rewrite of the section on what is said at the opening of the album

[edit] Dispute

An admin agreed with the inclusion months ago License2Kill 23:47, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tracklist/Tracks Recorded Within The 7 Days

Is it possible to add a section, with the tracks that was record over the three days, but didn't make it onto the album. I know about 4 out of 8, I wouldn't add this section without first asking other fans opinions.

what are the 4 that you know?

  1. Letter To The President
  2. You Dont Have To Worry
  3. Lost Souls
  4. Soon As I Get Home
  5. Nigga Nature
  6. Friends
  7. Tear Drops And Closed Caskets
  8. High Speed

-ODIII - Confirmed the first seven track in an interview, The did not feature on the album as they didn't fit the mood, However it was said certain tracks where going to replace others.


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[edit] To the Tupac Stanclub

STOP PUTTING THAT MAKAVELI HAS SOLD 28 MILLION!!! IT HAS NOT, I REPEAT, HAS NOT SOLD 28 MILLION!!! THERE WAS A REASON WHY JACQUES (HATIAN JACK) AGNANT'S LAWSUIT WAS THROWN OUT, BEACAUSE IT WAS FULL OFLIES..THE SAME LIES YOU GUYS USE AS "EVIDENCE"!!! AND FOR GOD'S SAKE WILL YOU STOP SAYING THAT HIS SALES "COULD BE" HIGHER BECAUSE THEY DONT UPDATE HIS SALES?!? THERE ARE PLENTY OF ARTISTS WHO DONT HAVE THERE SALES UP DATE AND EVEN IF THEY DO, THE DIFFERENCE IS A COUPLE OF THOUSAND, NOT 10+ MILLION!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.64.16.124 (talk) 22:31, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

RE:looool, it also stated in a pac docu that this album has sold so many copies outside the us, and that it is shakurs most selling album world wide, and by the way it was statet in 1998 that it has sold more than 16 mio. copies world wide......so give a proof that is up to date...

[edit] Killuminati

someone keeps adding the following to the article:

Tupac obviously believed in this and publicly took his stand against it, as did Martin Luther King, they both died for doing so, now is this coincidence, or the fact that the Illuminati do really rule the world? If we but all the meanings together in English we see that, The meaning of Tupac's album title is, "Tupac: THE LEADER OF KILLERS OF THE ILLUMINATI" So this clearly means that Tupac thought of himself as been the leader of the Killuminati cult, against white dominance, not racist, but to give all people a fair stab at life and not be blinded by what the Illuminati, rulers and government tell us. I leave it for you to dwell on, visit the links below for full info, as I've only scratched the surface.

Please keep this conspiracy theory shit out of wikipedia. if this is inserted again I would request that the article be blocked from editing by anonymous users. --Black Butterfly 09:53, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] number of copies sold?

Hello, the contributions of 164.116.126.254 are all vandalism, only with this one I'm not shure – can anybody check this via RIAA? I've reverted it now to four millions. --Cyfal 19:22, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

The album has sold seven million US copies, but is only 4x platinum, since Death Row never bothered to apply for a new certification. east.718 at 02:21, 10/25/2007
Ok, then I change it to seven millions again. Thank you for your quick respond. --Cyfal 17:43, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Conspiracy theories

While the current (or rather, most recent, the section having been removed) conspiracy theory section was inadequate and unsourced, I do feel the theories should be described. The "Tupac is alive" theory was/is popular for some time, and a number of the ideas backing it up were based on this album (see http://www.ewsonline.com/2pac/alive.html for example). --Black Butterfly 11:19, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Besides being unencyclopedic nonsense, the conspiracy theories violate several core policies, such as original research, verifiability, usage of reliable sources, and undue weight (the conspiracies have nothing to do with the album). The content has already been deemed unfit for an article. east.718 at 12:00, 10/29/2007
While I do agree that the conspiracy theories should not be given undue weight, surely the fact that three of the top ten Google hits for "7 day theory" should be some indicator that the conspiracy theories around the album are somewhat notable. Similarly, 2Pac Lives The Death of Makaveli / The Resurrection of Tupac Amaru (Volume 1) puts a lot of its focus on this album.
The problem I had with the content as-was is that it presented some of the theories as fact (or of contested veracity) and did not cite its references. However, I do feel they should be mentioned. --Black Butterfly 11:54, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Killuminati

Could you please tell me what The Don Killuminati means then because you don't have no information on the concept. But you seem to have alot about the concept of Makaveli, and the 7 day theory but not one thing about The Don Killuminati like it's not even in the title of the album. Could you please explain to me what it means or at least consider having some information about it! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tester89 (talk • contribs) 22:00, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Concept album?

Is this a concept album? If so, the article should make it more clear. Zazaban (talk) 23:01, 26 May 2008 (UTC)