Talk:The Birth of Tragedy
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[edit] The Apollonian and The Dionysian
"Dionysian ecstasy is balanced by Apollonian beauty while Apollonian beauty tempers Dionysian ecstasy." This is just saying the same thing twice. The second half needs to be changed into something explaining how the Dionysian has a positive influence on the Apollonian.--Tchoutoye 18:36, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Schopenhauer
The book has many references to Schopenhauer, as well as several long quotes from Schopenhauer's works. However, there are two sentences from Schopenhauer that may have had a strong influence on Nietzsche:
First of all, let me mention here that, remote as the Greeks were from the Christian and lofty Asiatic world-view, and although they were decidedly at the standpoint of the affirmation of the will, they were nevertheless deeply affected by the wretchedness of existence. The invention of tragedy, which belongs to them, is already evidence of this.
– The World as Will and Representation, Vol. II, Ch. XLVI
This can be compared with Nietzsche:
Here, when the danger to his will is greatest, art approaches as a saving sorceress, expert at healing. She alone knows how to turn these nauseous thoughts about the horror or absurdity of existence into notions with which one can live: these are the sublime as the artistic taming of the horrible, and the comic as the artistic discharge of the nausea of absurdity. The satyr chorus of the dithyramb is the saving deed of Greek art; faced with the intermediary world of these Dionysian companions, the feelings described here exhausted themselves
– The Birth of Tragedy, Section 7
Lestrade 14:43, 31 May 2006 (UTC)Lestrade
[edit] Modern views
Do modern classical scholars take any of this book seriously? (E.g. the Apollonian and Dionysian concepts) 152.23.84.168 22:08, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Imho the bad reception in its day says more about the time it was written and the projection of contemporary morals onto Greek society than about the content of the book itself. The main article Apollonian and Dionysian mentions some (relatively) modern scholars who deal with the concept, although they are literary, not classical. A modern classicist who deals with Dionysian and (perhaps to a lesser extent) Apollonian concepts would be Carl Ruck. --Tchoutoye 18:27, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
