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[edit] Citations Added

I've cited all the tracks, please be sure to give links if you're going to add any more. It's a hassle to clean it up. Also, a note should be added that it is in fact a paparazzi picture that has been put up, I'll try and get that fixed. Britishenglish 21:47, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Whoever keeps deleting the references, cut it out. There are more references in the article than just the Billboard site. And please quit removing the link to the Rolling Stone article, it is proof of the existence of "I Could Do Better". This is getting irritating. Britishenglish 22:09, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sued

Can we add that Avril has been sued for plagiarism by Tommy Dunbar because Girlfriend sounds exactly like His bands song I want To Be Your Boyfriend? TaylorLTD 21:03, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Plagiarism Allegations

This section in the main article currently includes the following information about a Paris Hilton song: On July 10, the song "I Don't Have to Try" sparked further plagiarism speculation, after Perez Hilton and Rolling Stone noted similarities between it and Peaches's 2003 song "I'm the Kinda".[11]

While this sentence about Ms. Hilton's song is true, I am wondering what the connection is to Lavigne. This is not a page about current plagarism allegations in popular music. It is about the album "The Best Damn Thing." Should the sentence about "I Don't Have To Try" be removed? GRSUS 07:51, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

No, as I don't know where you got Paris Hilton from. Perez Hilton is a celebrity gossip blogger. "I Don't Have to Try" is on this album. Donkay ote 18:26, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Once again, reinstating since people can't comprehend English.Donkay ote (talk) 16:36, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] (Confirmed) Track Listing

The track listing has been removed from the article, was the one which was there was unconfirmed? or it had been confirmed via her Myspace account? Well, if it was confirmed from her official Myspace account, taht must be true.. or at least we put tuhe unconfirmed temporary track listing here? before the official one is confirmed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 61.247.53.106 (talk) 19:36, 7 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Album cover

That isn't her new album cover.That is a paparazzi shot of her when she was shooting photos for her new album (most likely for the linear notes). Johnpedia 09:57, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I Can Do Better

Added new song from rolling stone article, see article at: http://popoutblog.blogspot.com and that is NOT her album cover. 24.69.67.173 03:13, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Genre

She is definitely not doing "anything" that can be related to punk rock or pop punk. Please stop changing the genre.

But her music is not related to Rock either. It is something close to a commercial Pop pop music. My opinion is (based on her previously released tracks) that this can be a kind of lame punk pop. Anyway, it's very far from Rock, lol. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Levidos (talk • contribs) 17:48, 15 February 2007 (UTC).
How about power pop? I know it sounds ditzy, but it's actually the label the Who used to describe themselves. Classified by a focus on the melody, and instrumentally being guitar-driven (especially electrically). The genre's morphed to include the likes of Green Album-era Weezer, Fountains of Wayne and the New Pornographers. I wouldn't say that's bad company for Avril, and it's got "pop" built right into the name. DackAttac 06:29, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Curiously, The Best Damn Thing is much closer to pop punk than her previous outputs (Let Go and Under My Skin). I can understand that Let Go is somewhat pop or alternative-rock while Under My Skin is pop-rock. Some tracks on The Best Damn Thing is still pop-rock, but some of them do have pop-punk influence on them. No relation to punk-rock, though.

[edit] Parental Advisory

Is this really noteworthy? It's not like she hasn't cursed on an album before, plus I don't believe one F-bomb is enough to get the sticker on some labels. The Strokes, also on RCA, managed to drop two of them on Barely Legal, but its album Is This It didn't get the explicit stamp. I suppose given the era of all-ages pop-rock Avril's career originated amidst and the cultural connotations with that label, it would be noteworthy. But only if this disc gets the label.

And for the record, the censoring wasn't really appropriate. If an album says fuck, its page shouldn't be so shy. DackAttac 06:15, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Gwen Stefani only used two fucks and she got one. P!nk only used three fucks as well and look at what happened to hers. But then again, Britney Spears got away with one fuck on her "In The Zone" CD. -24.92.43.153 06:10, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
There is no universal standard for the stamp, each label has its own set of standards. P!nk's on Arista (plus that CD had nine fucks on it) and Gwen's on Interscope. But if that deluxe cover's for real, it's all moot anyway. DackAttac 05:29, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
I never noticed any "fuck" on In The Zone. Alex43223 T | C | E 15:26, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cites

The first two cites in the article, from MTV News, don't confirm either the title or the release date, yet they are in a position in the article where one would expect them to confirm those things. It's misleading. Cites should correspond to the actual information they're backing up. Everyking 09:10, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Keep Holding On

A new version in the Album?Yeah, right....Xr 1 21:27, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

There's a new version of it on the leaked version. Sounds pretty good. Joe D 07:44, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Well the version I've heard is the same as in the Eragorn Soundtrack (and as in the single) and it's from the album.Xr 1 07:52, 9 April 2007 (UTC) "Originally, a different version was to be included, but the original version made it instead." Well ok.I thought I was so unlucky...The original sounds amazing :] Xr 1 19:45, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Singles

If you ask me, I think that whoever added the singles section should make it smaller because it's way too big. If no one changes it, I will. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Musictomyears (talk • contribs) 14:08, 13 April 2007 (UTC).

I formatted the page a little bit. Now it's not like a timeline anymore. Plus I added stuff to the album description (the first paragraph). I took most of that from the Avril Lavigne Wikipedia page. I know that the album made its radio debut on on Hot 89.9 at 6 pm on April 14. Maybe someone can find a website to site it from because that information isn't on the internet yet. Avril and Deryck 4ever! 20:54, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Use of Standard version

When you say Standard you mean 'I will never Find the {Only Good}Bad version so instead I have to listend to Shhhh, Hey, Mother____ crap'. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.108.4.72 (talk) 02:15, 18 April 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Sales/Shipment Citations needed

You need a lot more citations for the Sales/Shipments section. The Taiwan G-Music Charts only show the percent of the chart that the album has sold, so it makes me curious how you know it has sold/shipped 20,000 already. X2RADialbomber 01:12, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] On May 5th, "Girlfriend" reached #1 on the Billboard Hot 100,

wait what? May 5th?

From the billboard hot 100 article:

Each chart is dated with the "week-ending" date of the following Saturday.

   Example:

       Monday, J hi guys anuary 1 – sales tracking-week begins
       Wednesday, January 3 — airplay tracking-week begins
       Sunday, January 7 – sales tracking-week ends
       Tuesday, January 9 – airplay tracking-week ends
       Thursday, January 11 – new chart released, with issue date of Saturday, January 20.

― LADY GALAXY ★彡 Refill/lol 02:00, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] but

Can we add that the album is dumb and she lost most of her old fanbase because the album is weak and horribly written? TaylorLTD 23:22, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

No, we can't unless we have a reliable, written source--84.129.125.88 14:20, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
I would say this is her penultimate album. Not a reliable source, either. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.3.173.55 (talk) 15:50, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Add other CATEGORIE

add this album (the best damn thing) to the categorie of "pop-punk album" (Gabo 084 22:45, 23 July 2007 (UTC)).

yes we should

[edit] Josh Freese

If i am not mistaken, didnt josh freese drum on this album? Where is this pages personal section?

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BetacommandBot (talk) 06:28, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 4th Single?!

The following singles have been released so far.

special single: "Keep Holding On" (Eragon Soundtrack)

"Girlfriend" , "When You're Gone", "Hot"


Here now my critics:


"I Can Do Better" ... In a vote the 2nd most believe it as next single. I think it would be to risky since Avril Lavigne said she recorded the song when she was drunk,but it is one of here favoutires. It's not so catchy IMHO but still rock.

"Runaway" ...Most belive it as up comming single. I don't think so because it wouldn't have a surprise effect on release, as it's already in the ng under of the billboard charts. It's more pop than rock, not so catchy at all and a bit boring IMO.

"The Best Damn Thing" ... Well it's got the same tintle like the album and has charted in the billboard bubbling under and so not unknown anymore. But it is very catchy I find. As it's boy bashing it's more natural avril style than songs like e.g. Hot,Contagious. It does rock, but I'm not sure if it's most powerfull than the other remained songs.

"Everything Back but You"... This song has a good mix between Avril's natural elements like "boy-bashing", and reminds a bit on the punky touch. And the slang words. I dont't find the best choice(not the most powerful) but avril may choose it.

"Innocence" - Here I agree with that what other think: "If this song comes up as new single, people may say she releases always power ballades". But this doesn't say I dont' like the song. It's may just not be so good choice marketing technical. Also it has been been played in some North American radio stations already and the rumours about an italian single relase and it's also been in bubbling under charts. It's just maybe to well known.

"I Don't Have to Try" - This song I find is most powerfull of the remaining songs,(when we take the standard album). It's also a bit heavy metal I would say. And the bonus that is not known so much.

"One of Those Girls" -I personally do like the text of the song. But objective I don't think it's superior minded to the others.

"Contagious" ..I believe the song is to short to make a video. And it's it's not so special.

"Keep Holding On" ..Why should the song be re-released. Marketing technical a crazy idea.

"Alone" - This song was the B-Side of Girlfriend. But it's very very catchy, super music maybe even better than Girlfriend.When I think about this song I had good ideas for a video. If it wasn't alredy a B-Side it would have been marketing technical an interesting idea to release this song now and then afterwars release the album again with the song "Alone" know added. It is on the "Limited Edition" I know but one can't get this album everywhere.

"I Will Be" Maybe good idea, but may have the same effect like Innocence/Keep holding on that she releases to much ballades.

Conclusion

  • Opinion of Others:

According to AvrilBandaids most find Runaway best choice for 4th Single.

  • My opinion: Avril Lavigne newer ever has released song's that contain of more than 3 words in the song title.

So subjective I'd find really the best song to release could be Alone because it's catchy also boy bashing..

So if I let the stupid fact away and stay objective and think about what's possible I would say to release I Don't Have to Try is the best way. The punkish fans would like it and it's powerfull and boy bashing too IMO.

  • But I can't really say what Avril will do only what would be best to do.

So I think she may choose Everything Back but you (has punk edge and is on a DVD performed (Live). I also think she maybe doesn't release a 4th Single but that would be a to easy solution and Avril is rather a bit "Complicated" so that doesn't fit together *g*. N00bh4ck3r (talk)--

Can't we just WAIT till the next single is confirmed/released? Darth NormaN (talk) 14:04, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Obviously the single's gonna be the title song "The Best damn thing". --N00bh4ck3r (talk) 21:39, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Another Alledged Plagarism

"Keep Holding on" sounds alot like Chemical Romance's song "Welcome to the Black Parade". The beginning instrumental parts and sound of the song sound the absolute same! Some one even proves this with a video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymUhCCxDPVk&NR=1) So should that be added?

[edit] The Best Damn Tour

Why was it merged into the album? It doesn't match anything tour related on Wikipedia at ALL!!! 209.89.227.122 (talk) 00:53, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

yeah because after all its just a tour.. this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Best_Damn_Thing#Promotion is everything that has to be said about the tour imo --Darth NormaN (talk) 02:20, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
OK, but then under your reasoning, The Return of the Spice Girls, Get Loose Tour and Dignity Tour shouldn't exist then? --WestJet (talk) 22:55, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
well there was a discussion about deleting the tour article.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/The_Best_Damn_Tour Darth NormaN (talk) 23:24, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
So what about merging it more like we did on the other albums? I prepared something, look: The Best Damn Tour
- Darth NormaN (talk) 20:36, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Chart performance and sales -> <- Charts

hey, i looked through the article today and somehow i dont like that those two sections are seperated from each other.. what about moving them together? i thought about the following: 1. remove all the text that is written about the singles; 2. moving the chart table to "charts performance and sales" and 3. update the chart table properly with the REAL peak numbers would shorten the article a lot in my opinion, what do you think? Darth NormaN (talk) 14:21, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

there: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Darth_NormaN/The_Best_Damn_Thing tell me what you think, please Darth NormaN (talk) 01:08, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Best Damn Tour

please STOP ADDING THE TOUR DATES! its against WP:NOT#DIRECTORY, WP:OR and WP:NN. The article also gets way too long and all information about the dates and setlist are referenced in the passage concerning the tour. thanks. --Darth NormaN (talk) 11:39, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Where to add the tour dates other way? There's no longer an extra page for it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oli W 93 (talk • contribs) 20:31, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

What about "List of The Best Damn Tour Dates" Oli W 93 (talk) 20:34, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

well all tour articles consisting out of tour dates only got deleted (Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Bonez_Tour, Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Promotional_Tour_2004) and why do we need the tour dates in an encyclopedia? i mean if you want to visit one of her concerts, just go to her website, the dates are there. Wikipedia should only inform the reader, that there IS a tour and MAYBE link to the dates/setlist of that tour on the artist's site. --Darth NormaN (talk) 23:24, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
Yes, there you're right. But please link to sites which won't remove the dates after they are over. So the official site is not the best idea. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oli W 93 (talk • contribs) 17:35, 28 May 2008 (UTC)