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Since none of these possess seven heads, three sixes, ten horns, seven crowns and ten crowns, and a beastly tail, scholars continue in their search for the universal Creator's mark, name, image and number of The Revelation of Jesus Christ to this day.

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[edit] Interpretations

[edit] Name

[edit] Scientifically

Wisdom gravitates' the mark, name, image and number (Rev. 13:17, 14:11, 15:2) to Jesus, whom the Book is about.

Rev. 12 'dragon'

  • Gravitation's "G", the Letter of God, the mark.
  • Gravitation's "JESUS", the Word of God, the name.
  • Gravitation's "G'S US", the Sentence of God, the image.
  • Gravitation's ".666 x 10^-7 length^3/mass-time^2", the Wisdom of God, the number.

[seven heads (.0000000), three sixes (.666), ten horns (x 10), seven crowns (^-7), and a beastly tail (length^3/mass-time^2)]

Rev. 13 'beast'

  • Gravitation's "G", the Letter of God, the mark.
  • Gravitation's "JESUS", the Word of God, the name.
  • Gravitation's "G'S US", the Sentence of God, the image.
  • Gravitation's "666. x 10^-10 length^3/mass-time^2", the Wisdom of God, the number.

[seven heads (.0000000), three sixes (666.), ten horns (x 10), ten crowns (^-10), and a beastly tail (length^3/mass-time^2)]

dragon = beast

Weights and measures' changes affect buying and selling.

Name is Jesus.

John

[edit] I'm witness of the beast

My article explains this subject much finely http://my666.boom.ru/666_en.html

That speaks AntiChrist, who was born to be free! Who was born under sign 666!!!

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Nickols k (talk • contribs) 05:49, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Stub category

I changed the stub category to Christianity. I am well-versed in Christian prophecy and all scholars I have read (and Wikipedia's own article Antichrist) identify the Beast as a person or institution as opposed to a creature. This article seriously needs to be expanded. Unverified claims need to be removed.

Have a nice day, Compaqdrew 02:20, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A few issues with NPOV

I take some issue with the beast being "most commonly" identified as Nero. I think this is inaccurate and violates NPOV. Please see [1] as well as Wikipedia's own Antichrist, which says the beast is "often interpreted as the Antichrist."

The use of Gematria (the numerology used to calculate Nero = 666) is subject to heavily scholarly debate [2] [3] and thus should *NOT* be mentioned without acknowledging the many scholars who see its use as somewhat limited.

Additionally, it seems that several names [4] seem to add up to 666 according to Gematria. All references to Gematria as being a justification specifically for Nero (as opposed to a general discussion) need to be removed.

Have a great day, Compaqdrew 06:42, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] POV

I believe this article should be flagged as biased. The preface/premise is roughly correct.

The article then goes on with a category labeled "Identity of the Beast From the Sea" with supposed descriptions of this beast. It follows this category with a label "Alternative Views".

ALL of these views carry the same weight since they are all in conflict and are all based purely on inverted pyramids of doctrinal presumption and speculation. The reason they all come up short is because they are not arrived at in the light of the related scripture.

Consider just one element a little ways into the first category: "According to the majority of Scholars, Nero is the emperor at the time John was writing the book."

Rev 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Wasn't it Domitian that banished John to Patmos? [5] In frustration after failing to kill him by boiling him in oil?[6]


To expand the point, why didn't any of these doctrinal presumptions exercise the terms used in the verses? Hermeneutics is not rocket science. Anyone that is filled with the Holy Spirit can study God's Holy Word.[7] The beast of Revelation 13 is described thus:

Revelation 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as [the feet] of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

Daniel described what a beast is when used in the context of a dream: Daniel 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth,...

And he did it in the context of a lion, bear, leopard and 4th "dreadful" beast. [8] Both Daniel and John saw these beasts in the same context of a dream or vision. There is BROAD concensus, both Christian and Jewish, that Daniel's lion, bear, leopard and 4th beast are the successive kingdoms of Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece and Rome. [9]

So when we see a composite of these first three beasts in Revelation 13, if we can look past our doctrines, it may seem obvious that this end-time composite leopard-bear-lion beast/kingdom is the last in the succession of the kingdoms that rule the middle east and oppress God's people.

The seats of lion/Babylon, bear/Medo-Persia and leopard/Greece are today occupied by Iraq, Iran, and Syria/Lebanon. [10] The leopard-bear-lion/Islamic empire is that last kingdom in this succession of middle east kingdoms that oppresses God's people. Following are maps of these successive kingdoms/beasts.[11]

What do any of the traditional doctrinal presumptions on the home page have to do with a lion, bear or leopard?[12]RJEdit 23:31, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vicarius Filii Dei

The title has never been an official title of the pope and was mentioned only once in the margin of one document. Perhaps the section about the SDA Church should reflect this. As it stands, the wording implies strongly that "Vicarius Filii Dei" really is one of the pope's titles and that it is widely accepted, when that is simply not true. (or at the very least, is largely speculative) I suggest a rewording of that section, but am abhorr to do it myself without an account and without discussion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.188.113.180 (talk) 07:33, 31 March 2008 (UTC)