Talk:Terry Nichols
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[edit] Abu Sayyaf
"The western parts of Mindanao were, at the time, the site of an Abu Sayyaf stronghold." - this information is utterly irrelevant until an actual connection is established between Terry Nichols and Abu Sayyaf. The fact that he made calls to a boarding house that sometimes contained residents from a region...and that that region was sometimes home to group...is not sufficient evidence of connection to that group. Mindanao also contained: Catholics, McDonalds restaurants, brothels, sporting associations, etc. Terry Nichols can be just as convincingly linked to any of these groups. Further, using the same "six degrees of separation" standards, Nichols can be "linked" to any existing terrorist group on Earth. For instance, did he once call a hotel that had a few Peruvian employees? Well, Peru is home to the Shining Path guerrillas - better add that to the article, too!
If irrelevant information like "the western parts of Mindanao were, at the time, the site of an Abu Sayyaf stronghold" reappears in the article, I will simply add information on all of the other things that the western parts of Mindanao contain. I will also add information on every terrorist/political/religious group that resided in any other part of any other country whose residents once may have had any contact with any person who may have had any contact with Terry Nichols. For instance, If Terry Nichols once made a phone call to a home or a boarding house or a hotel or a business that had an El Salvadoran resident/employee/owner, I will list all of the terrorist groups that have existed in El Salvador. If it had a Catholic resident, I will list all of the extremist/terrorist groups associated with the Catholic church. If it once had an Italian resident, all groups associated with Italy. If he once was driven in a taxi by someone who resided in a house where another person resided who was from Mexico, and that Mexican guy's father-in-law's barber once called someone who was from Japan, I will add information about Aum Shinrikyo. All of this would have equal relevance to the article. So, until a real and direct connection is established between Terry Nichols and a member of Abu Sayyaf, please keep that irrelevant stuff out of the article. 66.195.208.108 03:44, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Extraordinary Claims
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence," and a citation is needed for all the stuff about possible meetings between McVeigh and Islamic terror groups. I've seen this crap peddled before, and it has no credibility. Credible sources need to be added, or this "information" (read: misleading speculation) must be removed.
[edit] Error
The main article has an error in it. It says that Wes Lane was the one who made the decision not to prosecute McVeigh. That is rather strange given that McVeigh died on June 11, 2001. Lane took office on July 1, 2001. That decision was for both men was made by the person who was the Oklahoma Country District Attorney before Lane, Bob Macy. (I am actually suprised that Macy does not have a Wikipedia article given his importance in Oklahoma. Wow there is none for Joyce Gilchrist either.) In any event, someone might want to spend the time to make the article clearer in these respects. [This was posted on April 1, 2005 by the person (i.e. me) who later became user MichaelSH.
[edit] Wikipedia Bug?
This history page indicates the last edit to the Terry Nichols article was on "5 October 2005" though when I look at "my contributions" is see me edit of "15 October 2005" listed. The change I made is currently reflected in the article. (I removed the clause that was a rant that Lane did not press state charges against McVeigh. McVeigh was dead before Lane took office.) I have hit reload to see if that fixed it and and this is the second day which I see the problem. MichaelSH 04:22, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
Note also that additional evidence of bomb making was faound in Nichols Decker, Michigan Farm a year or two ago. - I need a wikipedia account
[edit] Terry Nichols
Did he like guns? shit yeah. Did he like taxes? Hell no. Did he hate collectivism? Damn straight. Would he argue that it was the right of a property owner to plant land mines on his front lawn in a urban neightborhood if he wanted to? Yes. Ergo he was a libertarian. 132.241.245.49 03:25, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- If you can support, with references, Nichols position on all of these issues I would certainly agree with you.
Monkeyman(talk) 03:32, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Earlier I sent a message
Earlier I sent a message - editing the main page - I was too harsh, the American people are not dumb ( weel some are but..) mostly they are uneducated and mislead. The particulars of explosives aren't, and have no reason to be, in their range of knowledge. But an article about Nichols should be weel enough researched to include the facts that farm fertilizer doesn't make a bomb without considerable pre-processing - way beyond a non-professional lab. Nichols may have been involved in OK but agr fertilizer is bogus - as is most of this article. 10:48, 28 February 2006 159.105.80.224
Further developments - it appears the "experts" (after being convinced that ANFO wouldn't work) have switched explosives to AMFO (,which wouldn't work either but...). What was Nichols' receipt for - or was it just blank(fill in whatever you want)? The testimony - tested for fertilizer in his truck ( in farm country no less ). The test must have been faulty or fraudulent - fertilizer ( bomb grade, garden grade) and the new methane stuff ain't close. How the hell could he get bomb grade AN where he lived, how the hell could he get the new stuff anywhere. If you even ask for that stuff the FBI is going to question you ( well sir I only wanted a ton or two to experoment with.....).159.105.80.141 18:19, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
RE the receipt. If the receipt was a critical link in his prosecution it would appear that an appeal is in order. His brother wrote/cowrote a book on Terry. It was pretty good. If there is any evidence on Terry I hope it was some classified stuff that never say the light of day - otherwise his conviction is really bogus. 159.105.80.141 11:46, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
- Please remember everybody that this pages isn't intended as a forum to discuss the subject. Its purpose is to discuss improvements to the article. If the above material can be found in a reliable source then it may be included in the article in some fashion. ·:·Will Beback ·:· 21:48, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Long time has passed - checking up on Nichols et al. The article could be upgraded if anyone could show how fertilizer makes a bomb more powerful than anything short of a nuke.(garden ferlizer - or farm grade). Affter searching the web I have yet to hear any convinving - or even partly convinving - evidence. He may be guilty as hell, but not from making a bomb out of Agway Feed and Grain components, unless they stock some pretty refined stuff in Kansas. A claim - directly related to the articles claims - such as this needs a scientific citation. I am betting you never find one - I can't believe any scientist would put his name on anything that bogus - if he does I want to be invited to his demo, I'll bring the fertilizer and concrete pier.159.105.80.141 (talk) 14:23, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] GERMANY
Is it correct that Nichols & McVeigh were both as Soldier in the US-Air Base Ramstein, near Kaiserslautern? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.60.241.211 (talk) 13:26, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Michael Moore mentioned in Roger Moore robbery section
Should Michael Moore interviewing Terry Nichols brother be mentioned in the same section talking about the Roger Moore robbery? It seems like this should be moved. Davvolun (talk) 04:29, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
