Talk:Terry Ananny

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Jane Rushmore (talk) 01:20, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Stub vs. start

This article is still a stub. To be a start-class article it needs to have (according to the rating categories):

at least one serious element of gathered materials, including any one of the following:

  • a particularly useful picture or graphic
  • multiple links that help explain or illustrate the topic
  • a subheading that fully treats an element of the topic
  • multiple subheadings that indicate material that could be added to complete the article

The article isn't there yet. Instead of worrying about removing templates, why not work on the actual content to get it to the start-class? The rating is about the article not the subject. And please take this to the talk page. We are seeking a consensus here (and use edit summaries). Please respect your fellow editors by using these basic courtesies. You may also want to read WP:OWN. Thank you. Freshacconci | Talk 22:13, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed Addition of Image(s) to the Article

Thank you for sharing your thoughts regarding this article. If there is a consensus for the addition of images to this article, I would like to expand this article by adding a useful picture. I would like to appeal to the community for direction regarding the uploading of images to the article. Gabrielle_Hines | Talk 11:56, 28 September 2007

[edit] Image Added

An image has been added to the "Terry Ananny" article. The article should now be upgraded from it's current rating of "stub" to "start-class" (according to the rating categories). The "stub category" tag will now be removed from the article and "stub -class" changed to "start-class" on the template. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.64.152.160 (talk • contribs)

The image will probably need to go as it does not directly relate to work discussed in the article. In other words, images used in articles on artists need to be important to the content, not merely be giving an example of the artist's work, as Wikipedia is not meant to be a promotional tool. There may also be issues with the copyright which I will look into before I remove the image. Freshacconci | Talk 21:00, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] External Links Added

Two additional external links which feature the artist's work and biography have been added. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gabrielle Hines (talk • contribs) 20:45, 2 October 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Third party sources

There are no third party verifiable sources. If this article is to remain, it will need published reviews and critical texts. Links to the artist's website and her dealers are not sufficient. I will list this at Wikipedia:WikiProject Contemporary Art and see if other editors focusing on art can weigh in on this. Freshacconci | Talk 21:06, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Adding Verifiable Source

Proposing the addition of a third party verifiable source to the article which will appear in the external links section.

This article lacks third party verifiable sources. Links to the artist website do not pass muster as such a source. Added "primarysources" so other editors can address this matter. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 16:38, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] NPOV

This new section:

From a young age Terry Ananny showed a keen interest in painting and although she studied fine art during her education, Terry Ananny is primarily a self-taught artist. As a child, Terry Ananny experienced many trips from Ontario to Quebec. The rich splendour of the colourful Quebec villages were forever etched into the artist’s memory. Terry Ananny brightly recaptures on canvas these charming landscapes and their surroundings with children at play in the great outdoors. Each painting recreates a unique magical moment connecting us to our earlier childhood memories.

contains a great deal of POV language: "rich splendour", "colourful", "brightly recaptures on canvas these charming landscapes", "a unique magical moment". These are unencyclopedic description. All information needs to be verifiable and not opinion. See also WP:PEACOCK. Freshacconci | Talk 23:40, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Correcting POV Language

Replacing new section with verifiable factual information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gabrielle Hines

(talk • contribs) 18:49, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Replacing Valuable Information that was Previously Deleted

All information that has been replaced is from a verifiable third party source. For example, The Canadian Medical Research and Development 2000 report cover has selected work by the artist appearing on it. The Children's Wish Foundation of Canada has selected work by the artist appearing in their 2006 and 2007 card collections. Cornersone 52 Foundation has selected work by the artist appearing in their card 2006 and 2007 card collections. These are facts. Regarding exhibitions of the artist's work that have taken place in the last two decades, these are verifiable in the sense that they took place in a chronology that was meticulously recorded by the artist. Files from the Ottawa Art Association, will support the awards that were given to the artist for participation in juried shows taking place early in the artist's career. This artist is a nationally known artist with work appearing on eight unique UNICEF cards spanning a period from 1998 to 2008. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jane Rushmore (talk • contribs)

Some of the information you attempted to restore failed WP:NPOV (such as "Ananny’s bold and vivid paintings of Canadian children at play in the great outdoors capture the potency of these memories"). As another editor indicated in his edit summary, listing the galleries where this artist's work is sold is not appropriate for an encyclopedia. Also, an article on an artist is not meant to be exhaustive. We simply can't list every single exhibition she has had. Her major collections and some selected exhibitions is sufficient. And the article still requires some third-party references. Please see WP:V for details. The artist's website is not sufficient. And finally, please do not simply revert other editor's edits and do not accuse editors of vandalism when they are simply attempting to improve the article (WP:ASSUME). Thank you. freshacconcispeaktome 23:05, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Removing Tag

The cleanup tag has been removed following the article's reorganization of information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jane Rushmore (talk • contribs) 01:13, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Third Party References Added

Third party references have been added to article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.64.153.158 (talk) 05:53, 23 January 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Conflict of Interest

I believe that both users Gabrielle Hines and Jane Rushmore are in fact the artist herself... self promoting. 88.111.87.157 (talk) 21:02, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Why do you believe that? freshacconcispeaktome 21:30, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Both users total edits consist of only edits to this article. 88.111.87.157 (talk) 22:41, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
This is all pretty transparent. I did a cleanup of content in this article (reasons given in edit summery) and also re-added the COI tag. Gabrielle Hines would be Terry Ananny by statement made here[1] - the copyright holder of the work of art would be the artist in question. Jane Rushmore magically appeared 7 hours after I did a major cleanup and first added a COI tag to this article[2], and reverted all edits made to the article (calling it vandalism), and also removed the COI tag. Jane Rushmore removed the COI tag again via her 76.64.153.158 IP[3] (Jane Rushmore editing under her IP here[4]) without giving a reason for doing so. Interesting behavior for a newbee. This is negative SPA activity by definition and points to a sock puppet. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 01:39, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Sorry for causing any undue concern regarding my series of previous small edits on the article! Many edits were made to correct very small spelling and grammar mistakes. I think the article is coming along superbly. I also made an additional second party source reference to 'notes' section adding Children's Wish Foundation link. Jane Rushmore (talk) 02:52, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Jane Rushmore: Why do you keep removing the conflict of interest tag? You were asked not to. speaktome 11:33, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
freshacconci

The tag has been removed because all information contained in the article is verifiable and factual with second party sources cited. I am not sure how a conflict of interest can now be perceived if objectivity is being observed with contributing information received.Jane Rushmore (talk) 18:11, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Please look at what the others have written above. Until we can reach some sort of consensus, your removal of the tag is disruptive. freshacconcispeaktome 18:49, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Commercial links

The "notes" are all merely links to commercial sites where the "product" can be purchased!! Some of the references are also just links to commercial pages selling "product". They should all be deleted. Teapotgeorge (talk) 17:18, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

I noticed that problem wile trying to clean up this article. The links to companies prove the cards exist but those links really do bring up WP:SPAM problems. And proving that something exist is not proving something is significant, a requirement for WP:N. Under reference at the present time all we have are links to artist databases. This again does not meet WP:N. I think this article may have to be taken to AfD unless some reliable sources that actually establish notability are added. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 18:37, 25 February 2008 (UTC):
The reference links are not spam! They are to the National Art Gallery of Canada. I am sorry if you are going to remove the aricle, it seems that even an artist with over 1000 paintings in collection is not noteworthy in this day and age. I guess you will just keep on the proven path of featuring artists that command a large auction price - talk about commercialism!Jane Rushmore (talk) 18:49, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Please note that this link is not for the National Gallery of Canada collections, but a database of artists in Canada. I can find no evidence that Terry Ananny is in the National Gallery of Canada collection. This database is significant only up to a point. It confirms the professional status of Ananny, but not necessarily notability. Even I'm listed on it! I believe the links that User:Fountains of Bryn Mawr and User:Teapotgeorge are referring to are the other links, not the National Gallery database. freshacconcispeaktome 18:58, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed Removal of Tag

New links added supporting non-commercial third party verifiable sources —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jane Rushmore (talk • contribs) 02:53, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

The links added are not third-party sources. Saatchi online is open to anyone to display their works, arkart.com is a pay-to-display site and artfacts.com is a promotional site used by galleries to sell art works. None of these qualify as references. Perhaps as external links to show Ananny's work, but certainly not third-party references. Also, none of this resolves the conflict of interest issue. We have not established whether or not the artist or someone from her galleries has been editing this page. Please to do not remove the tag. You have been asked not to do this before. freshacconcispeaktome 15:30, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

I have removed the tag. Third party sources have been added to the reference section: Canada Medical Research and Development. The tag may be disruptive to the viewers overall focus on the article. Replace the tag if you feel you must, but I feel that the article is not being helped by it.

[edit] Exhibitions and Corporate Collections

The exhaustive list of obscure exhibitions and corporate collections needs MAJOR trimming. It is simply not encyclopedic. Teapotgeorge (talk) 15:01, 25 May 2008 (UTC)