Talk:Terrorist attacks of the Iraq War

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1 Attack or not?
2 "Terrorist" attack?
3 title change
4 Requested move
5 Should be more careful about the word "Terrorist"
6 Someone messed-up the campaignbox

[edit] Attack or not?

Baghdad bridge stampede: I wonder if it is classified as a terror attack. Bomb-caused panic.... --TheFEARgod (Ч) 15:56, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Terrorist" attack?

Attack on Forward Operating Base Marez Is this an act of terrorism or an act of resistance? A military target of an occupying force was attacked and not civilians or the 'legit' government. It's pretty subjective and pretty much a western POV. I'll remove it for now. 62.195.150.231 22:05, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

I think you're right --TheFEARgod (Ч) 02:27, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Attack on Forward Operating Base Marez should remain because the name of this article is not terrorist attacks of the iraq war but bombings and terrorist attack itc. This falls in to the categpry of bombings also the Kufa sheling is not a terrorist attack but an artilery attack by an unknown force. It should stick I will place it again before we reach a more biger consensus.(Top Gun) 16:59, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

The article needs some rewriting then, since it's pushing the term "terrorism" on all attacks, even on acts of resistance. The invasion of Iraq and control of it by the US military and it's allies have always been seen as an occupying force and not as a legit government. 62.195.150.231 19:48, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] title change

We should change the title to something a little less POV. These attacks are completely legitimate acts of resistence against and imperialsist fascist occupier and the people that choose to collaborate with them. 35.11.183.95 22:56, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Well,get an account so people will even consider your point. Richardkselby 21:20, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Richardkselby, although I am not swayed by 35.11.183.95's comment, he/she does not need to possess an account in order for his/her views to be considered. The possession or non-possession of an account has no bearing on the validity of an argument.

In response to 35.11.183.95 ... the attacks listed on this page targeted civilians, and not Coalition or Iraqi security forces. Also, your concern for POV might come across better if the second sentence of your comment was not itself POV. That said, a name change may be appropriate. I could suggest Notable insurgent attacks of the Iraq War, though I do not insist on it. -- Black Falcon ^(Talk) 22:38, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

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Terrorist attacks of the Iraq War → Bombing attacks since the 2003 invasion of Iraq — I think the current title is problematic in many ways:

Title implies all combatants of the Iraq war commit terrorist attacks. It isn't "Terrorism in Iraq" but "Terrorist attacks of the Iraq War"
Although I personally feel most/all listed attacks to be terrorist, this view is not shared by a large majority. A sizable group of people see the conflict as a civil war as well as an "independence struggle".
Some actions by the coalition troops have been "interpreted" as terrorism. While I do not share the pov, I do feel it is important to avoid soapboxyness in the article as much as possible

The new name I came up is not the last word. Alternative proposals are more than welcome. -- Cat ^chi? 21:16, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Highly reluctantly I agree with you. But I want to start a new discussion see below on the campaignbox.Top Gun

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[edit] Discussion

Any additional comments:

Bombing? What about kidnappings, attacks, etc.? "Bombing" would only refer to bombs, and there is no reason I can see to have separate articles for each kind of terrorist attack. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 02:21, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

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It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved. --Stemonitis 19:09, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Campaignbox

I think we should revert to the previous campaigbox that was used in the article because, here are my reasons:

Yes, it is more good looking than the previous template, BUT all of the mayor attacks that are listed there should be in plane view. Currently the template is at the bottom and out of view, and the previous campaignbox was right at the top, as it is we can not put it anywhere at the top unless we revert to the old one, also you said that the box was too large for a campaignbox, I don't think so, have you seen the Vietnam war campaignbox, that is most likely the largest campaignbox that exists nad it is nothing conmpared to this one. I think that user FearGod agrees with me that everyone should be able to see planely and easy the list of mayor attacks in some way.Top Gun

[edit] Should be more careful about the word "Terrorist"

Using it in the article without citation is bad, using it the title is atrocious. What is wrong with simply calling them 'attacks'? Let the reader decide. Damburger 20:50, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Seeing as nobody seems interested in commenting on this change, I'm going to go ahead and do it. Damburger 15:23, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

hey, a new POV issue here:

It's not proven that all the attacks were by insurgents (no responsibility claim). So "insurgent attacks" is not good.
Those attacks are indeed TERRORIST (whether by insurgents or others..) as attacks on civilians (see terrorism). --TheFEARgod (Ч) 22:18, 11 September 2007 (UTC)