Talk:Terrorism in Russia
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[edit] Red Terror
Red Terror corresponds exactly to the modern definition of terrorism. According to most common definition, "Terrorism, in the modern sense,[2] is violence against civilians to achieve political or ideological objectives by creating fear.[3] (see terrorism). Bolsheviks did exactly that: they took hostages (exactly as any modern-day terrorists) and executed them. Their goal was to incite fear, and they openly proclaimed that, from Lenin to Latsis.
Most important, this is recognized by historians and theoreticians, such as Karl Kautsky, to name only one example. He said: "Among the phenomena for which Bolshevism has been responsible, Terrorism, which begins with the abolition of every form of freedom of the Press, and ends in a system of wholesale execution, is certainly the most striking and the most repellent of all."[1]. He was talking about Red terror. Kautsky also said: "It is, in fact, a widely spread idea that Terrorism belongs to the very essence of revolution, and that whoever wants a revolution must somehow come to some sort of terms with terrorism. As proof of this assertion, over and over again the great French Revolution has been cited."" (Chapter 1 of the same book).
If you want to dispute this, please provide alternative reliable sources claiming that "Red Terror" was not terrorism.Biophys (talk) 01:28, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
- Karl Kautsky called it "terrorism" does not mean it falls under the definition of terrrorism in modern sense. At present it constitutes WP:SYN and also WP:UNDUE. You need to provide more sources to prove that "red terror" was "terrorism" in the modern sense of terrorism. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 02:30, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
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- To the contrary, all your statements so far are OR. I have provided a scholarly source by a notable historian of Bolshevik movement, Karl Kautsky who states that Red Terror was terrorism. Hence this is not OR. Please provide at least one equally reliable scholarly source that tells Red Terror was not terrorism.Biophys (talk) 02:36, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
- See WP:UNDUE. You need to provide mainstream sources which say red terror was terrorism in modern sense. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 02:37, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
- To the contrary, all your statements so far are OR. I have provided a scholarly source by a notable historian of Bolshevik movement, Karl Kautsky who states that Red Terror was terrorism. Hence this is not OR. Please provide at least one equally reliable scholarly source that tells Red Terror was not terrorism.Biophys (talk) 02:36, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Let's collect more sources
Some sources about terrorism in Russia [1]
- ^ Ion Mihai Pacepa, A Terrorist State in the G8?, Human Events, December 3, 2007
Biophys (talk) 03:10, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
Great Terror in the Soviet Union was state terrorism according to "quite a few historical studies [2]. Biophys (talk) 04:58, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Mainstream definition: "Terrorism is the "terror" by state"
The earliest use of term "terrorism" identified by the Oxford English Dictionary is a 1795 reference to what the author described as the "reign of terrorism" in France.[1] During that part of the French revolutionary period that is now known as the Reign of Terror, or simply The Terror, the Jacobins and other factions used the apparatus of the state to execute and cow political opponents. The Oxford English Dictionary still has a definition of terrorism as "Government by intimidation carried out by the party in power in France between 1789-1794".[2].
According to the Britannica Concise terrorism is "systematic use of violence to create a general climate of fear in a population and thereby to bring about a particular political objective".[3] According to the Encyclopedia Britannica, State terrorism, also known as Establishment Terrorism, is "employed by governments—or more often by factions within governments—against that government's citizens, against factions within the government, or against foreign governments or groups. This type of terrorism is very common but difficult to identify, mainly because the state's support is always clandestine."[4]. Biophys (talk) 04:58, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
