User talk:Ted Newsom

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[edit] Superman trivia

I added the part about Hugh Beaumont to the blurb about "Leave it to Beaver", but that was taking on faith that whoever added the part about "Beaver" knew what he was talking about, which as I think about it seems unlikely. The buildings used on "Superman" and "Andy Griffith" have been documented. I don't know about "Beaver". Wahkeenah 19:33, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Regarding "trivia" in general, beware of a certain user who is going around haughtily proclaiming that "encyclopedias don't have trivia" and zapping such. He has done this to me directly at least twice. Once was in The Sting. As a safeguard, you might consider renaming "trivia" to "notes" or some such. Wahkeenah 19:33, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Naked Monster

Well it took my a little while to figure out what you'd done there, but I think you'll be happy with the result :) Glen 17:51, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

BRILLIANT! Thanx, Glen!

Ted Newsom 04:23, 2 November 2007 (UTC)== Spider-Man film series ==

Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, adding content without citing a reliable source, as you did to Spider-Man film series, is not consistent with our policy of verifiability. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. If you are already familiar with Wikipedia:Citing sources please take this opportunity to add your original reference to the article. Thank you.

You might also want to read WP:COI and WP:LIVING, if you are the Ted Newsom that this article is discussing, as there are certain things one must know when editing articles about themselves.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 04:40, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
"Contact me" takes you to my talk page, if you want to send me an email--which I advice against, only because it is not the fastest way to get in-touch with me--then you have to go to my user page and click the link there. Is there something I may help you with?  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 20:39, 3 October 2007 (UTC)


I'm going to give you the oppurtunity to correct this before I revert the whole mess. You have 4 sources with errors that need to be corrected (see "References" section for which ones). Then you have 5 more sources that have incomplete templates that need to be filled out. From there, you have several paragraphs without a single citation, and a couple of partial paragraphs--i.e. there's no citation for the last half of the paragaph, but one for the first couple sentences--with no sources. You have a couple stray sentences with no sources. Everything must have a source, and that means more than saying "According to Company X", you need to actually have something we can verify.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 18:05, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Since the original material was replete with factual errors in every sentence, and citations which were at best fourth hand (the Business Week stuff, for instance), I think the section is improving. Many thanks for the courtesy of allowing me to correct the citation problems before you revert everything to 2000 words of misinformation again. Give me a hand, if you will, regarding the specifics you're arguing-- I'm not quite wiki-hip enough to know where you're pointing. I still have the books, magazines and articles on hand and will gladly footnote every sentence if necessary. However, if there are, say, 3 or 4 sentences that ALL come from the same source, I do think it's kind of silly to place the same footnote after each period. I do think the long saga of the development of the movie will be interesting to anyone who has never been in the middle of the process. That, and there are a lot of Spidey fans who can't get enough esoterica.

And please bear in mind, the chronologic and simply factual errors that were in the previous version may well have been properly cited-- but the cited sources were wrong, and far removed from the primary sources. And by wikipedia rules, primary sources (in this case, published quotes directly from the persons involved) ace out 4th hand speculation by Business Week writers who are knowledgable in some other field. Let's just make this the best wikipedia entry in history, that's all. Ted Newsom 04:23, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] And we tidy it all up

One example is: "<ref name="Leva">{{cite news | author=Pat Jankiewicz | title=Scott Leva, The Man Who Was Almost Spider-Man| publisher=Starlog/Comics Scene presents Spider-Man #1 | date=July 2002 | Other performers discussed were [[Lauren Bacall]] or [[Katherine Hepburn]] as [[Aunt May, [[Adolph Caesar]] as a detective, and [Peter Cushing]] as a sympathetic scientist.</ref> <ref name="Newsom"/>" --If you are citing a journal, then use Template:Cite journal, this goes for magazines as well, as both have volume and issue numbers. Another important thing in that example is that you have text in the reference. I don't know what it is supposed to be used for, it certainly doesn't appear on the screen. This "Newsom" reference appears twice in the article, neither time with an actual source. Are you trying to cite yourself? We've discussed that before, you cannot do that, because we--as in Wikipedia--cannot verify your experiences simply by your word. We need published sources, something that can actually be verified.
Some references appear to just not be closed. You began your template with "Template:", so you have to make sure you always end with "" to close it off. Some of the things I can fix, others I cannot because I don't have the rest of the source information. As for citing every sentence. If you have an entire paragraph coming from one source then it only needs to be cited at the end of that paragraph. If you have an entire section coming from one source, then cite "each" paragraph in the section. Don't cite each sentence if it's the same source. What I saw was the first couple sentences in a paragraph with a source, but the remaining portion was uncited.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:47, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
Also, who are you citing when you quote "Ted Newsom and .... also wrote a script...not a good script.."? It would be good to attribute a name to that quote.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:49, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

The comment on the various drafts (I thought) was pretty clear: Scott Leva, who was up for the role, read all the drafts, etc., in "Spider-Man & Other Comics Heroes #1"; publisher, Starlog Group Inc., ISBN #0-88013-048-2), July, 2002, p64. The other cite from this source refers to casting, on p65; reference to Superman IV and Masters of the Universe on p64. The Superman/Masters explanation is repeated in "David Anthony Kraft's Comics Interview" #85, author: Daniel Patrick O'Neill, publisher: Fictioneer Books Inc., NYC; date: March, 1990; article title "Writer Ted Newsom," p13-15. (If it will add an air of versimilitude, this issue is referenced on line in the Michigan State University Libraries Comic Art Collection at http://www.lib.msu.edu/comics/rri/srri/spider1.htm

Stan Lee quote is from the same issue. Author=Dan Hagen | Comics Interview Magazine #85 | title=Publisher Stan Lee Speaks | publisher=Fictioneer Books Ltd. | date=March 1990. Quote is on p84

Ref. to Neil Ruttenberg's material is in Gross, pp202-204; also on page 20, "Creative Screenwriting" magazine, Vol. 9, #3; author=Steve Ryfle; title=Spider-Man's Tangled Web"; publisher=CS Publications, Inc., LA, CA.

Reference to Cameron's delivery of the screenplay to Carolco was in Variety, Sept. 1, 1993, page 3.

Reference to Golan's 21st Century reverting to the "Doc Ock" screenplay is a full-page ad in Variety, May 5, 1989, the Cannes Film Festival Issue; it says "Based on the characters created by Stan Lee; Written by Barney Cohen, Ted Newsom & John Brancato and Joseph Goldman; Produced by Menahem Golan." (There's an optimisitic corner banner-snipe, "Principal Photography begins September 1989"). This ad also appeared in the H'wd Reporter the same day.

Second ad reference to the 21st Century project is a full page ad in Variety (and the H'wd Reporter), dated Feb 20, 1990, lising "Executive Producers Stan Lee and Joseph Calimari; Screenplay by Neil Ruttenberg and Joseph Goldman" and adds (Credits Not Contractual).

Baseline II Inc. in 1995 listed "Spiderman (film) Aka: Spider-Man. Genre: fantasy adventure adaptation action." Carolco, Lightstorm and 21st Century are all listed as contacts, with phone numbers; producers are "Cameron (DIR), James; Lee, Stan, executive producer; Calamari, Joseph, executive producer; CREDITS: Cameron (DIR) James, screenplay; Ruttenberg, Neil, screenplay; Lee, Stan, executive consultant. CAST: Arnold Schwarzenegger has been mentioned for the role of Dr. Octopus. BUDGET-ESTIMATE: $60,000,000." Oddly enough, Neil's name also appears on the credit list on spidermanhype.com/spidercast.htm, accessed on May 30, 2001 ("Writing Credits: David Koepp, Neil Ruttenberg, Scott Rosenberg, Alvin Sergent.")

On-line references to Schwarzenegger & Doc Ock are at:

http://www.hollywood.com/news/Who_Is_SpiderMan/311891

http://www.realmovietrivia.com/page_xmen.html

http://www.cracked.com/article_15072_p2.html

http://www.retrojunk.com/details_articles/664

(and a boatload of other places.)

The 007/Spidey showdown & resolution is dealt with at

http://www.mi6.co.uk/sections/articles/sony_past_007_attempts.php3?s=articles&t= & http://www.mi6.co.uk/sections/articles/obituary_kevin_mcclory.php3 &

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117871343.html?categoryid=1343&cs=1&query=Kirsten+Dunst%2C+%22kirsten+dunst%22

-- again, among other places. New West magazine also covered it in a piece on John Calley and a UK magazine called Empire did a pretty good job on the story, but all I can recall is that the issue came out in 2003 or 2004, after the release of the film (don't have either of these available, which is why they're not cited)

Ed Gross' book covered much of the behind the scenes stuff and details several of the plot variations in the 1984-2000 time frame. In case my wikipedia-formatting skills are not up to snuff, the info on this is "Author=Edward Gross; title=Spider-Man Confidential, from Comic Icon to Hollywood Hero; publsher=Hyperion (NYC); date=2002; ISBN=0-7868-8722-2. (Development & scripts are covered from pp183-209; pp210-237 covers the Raimi production).

Material in one of the citations ("Other performers discussed were Lauren Bacall or Katherine Hepburn as [[Aunt May, Adolph Caesar as a detective, and [Peter Cushing]] as a sympathetic scientist.") should properly come IN the paragraph regarding casting, rather than in the cited footnote for it. I don't know how I stuck it there. Cite on that is Comics Interview/Newsom (as above) p8-14, and in Gross, p189

Regarding citing "myself"-- in this case, I'm going by you guys' suggestions and I think it's staying within the understandable guidelines. The lengthy interviews with Stan Lee & me in Comics Interview, the Hiltzik piece in the LA Times, Steve Ryfle's cited articles (published, and on-line) and Ed Gross's book put "me" at a one-step remove from this, and in pretty good company. Plus, the authors of the latter two works put their material together not from one source, but dozens, and all directly involved. As published works from established authors, I think they meet the criteria of w/p. I hope so, anyway.

I don't want to burden you with sweeping up after me, B.N., but you're clearly a LOT better at formatting than y'rs tr'ly. I'm willing to put in more drudge work to footnote this properly... but I may need an expert hand. Let's just make the article the best one any Wikipedia cruiser has ever seen. Ted Newsom 01:51, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, the templates you need to look at are Template:Cite news, Template:Cite book, Template:Cite journal and Template:Cite web. Any magazines are considered journals, and I'd look at those templates to see what is mandatory information in order to make the template work on the page. If you have urls then add those. They don't have to be the primary source of the citation, but a second option to verifying the text. The problem with the quote I pulled out was that you started a sentence that was an exact quote, without identifying the author of the quote. If Scott Leva is the quoted person, then the statement should be: "Scott Leva stated that 'Ted Newsom and John Brancato had written the script. It was good but it needed a little work. Unfortunately, with every subsequent rewrite by other writers, it went from good to bad to terrible.'" --- or "According to Scott Leva."  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:19, 3 November 2007 (UTC)


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dvd cover art
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scanned at home with permission of copyright holder
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The Naked Monster
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100% of art at 20% reduction of original
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Ted Newsom (talk) 05:51, 4 January 2008 (UTC)