User talk:Tautintanes

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Hello, Tautintanes, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your messages on discussion pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question on this page and then place {{helpme}} before the question. Again, welcome! The Ogre 14:17, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Paleohispanic languages

Great work on everything related to the Paleohispanic languages! Carry on! The Ogre 14:18, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, you are right, Image:ESPAÑAANTESDELAPRIMERAGUERRAPUNICAT.GIF is not a good map. Pity we can't have a good copy of this Detailed map of the Pre-Roman Peoples of Iberia (around 200 BC)! The Ogre 18:07, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Looking good. I dabbled with this some time ago, but it never went anywhere. It's good to see it shaping up so nicely, and a lot of good refs. A couple points: Aquitanian and Basque are commonly called Vasconic languages, at least in English. It's a way of saying they're related without claiming that Aquitanian is necessarily a Basque dialect. (The Vasconic languages article needs to be expanded.) That isn't important for the map in these articles, though. Secondly, shall we stick with the BC/AD convention, or go with the more neutral BCE/CE ? kwami (talk) 23:06, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

As for the latest edits, I wasn't saying Tartessian was cognitively either a syllabary or an alphabet. It has characteristics of both, so whether scholars disagree on whether it is in its 'essence' one or the other, or even that the distinction is meaningless, is irrelevant to noting that it was typologically intermediate. kwami (talk) 03:08, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Iberians

Hello again Tautintanes! I haven't forget our task in the Commons, but I'm just writin to see you can take a look at the changes User:Epf has introduced in Iberians (accusing me of OR and POV along the way...). See you soon! Cheers. The Ogre (talk) 19:15, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

We seem to have a problem with Epf - he insists in saying that the Celtiberians were part of the Iberians. His rationale is that they are a mix of Celts and Iberians, I presume. This editor seems to have a view of ethnicity based strongly on ancestry (or what he supposed the ancestry to be). He also tried to say that other eventually hispano-celts were Celtiberians (namely in Cantabri). From other discussion I had with him and from the debate he started in French people (were not a single other editor agreed with him!) I reckon that this might be a subtle and disguised racialist view of some sort. I do not know what is he trying to accomplish. We have to look out for him. Cheers! The Ogre (talk) 08:38, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

There is no problem actually other than how I have noticed your own original research and POV which has no solid references in various articles on the peoples of Iberia. I am not a "racialist" and this has nothing to do with ethnicity being most often based strongly on ancestry or common descent. Few people would deny this and in fact Ogre, I had presumed you agreed with much of this ? Actually on the French people article, there were two other users who agreed with me if you noticed, plus no one really disagreed with me in the manner which Alun did (including yourself). Judging by your edits (and Sugaar's), I think you are the one who would in fact be disguised "racialists" pushing your own POV and improperly entering sources and images which are based mostly on your own opinions. There are very few scholars who deny that the culture of the Iberians spread across Iberia and most consider the Lustianians and others (minus the Aquitanians and Basques) to be Celtiberians. The Celtiberians were an Iberian people who had mixed with elements of Celtic culture, but it also incorporated aspects of Iberian culture and descent, hence CeltIBERIAN. Ciao, Epf (talk) 09:09, 8 March 2008 (UTC)