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[edit] Military

Does anyone know of the Military of Tartessos? All I know is that they were friends possibly Allies with Greek Colonists and had naval battles with the Phoenecians, but that is it... -Zulu, King Of The Dwarf People

Yes, they were allies of Phocaean Greeks during the rule of Arganthonios, according to Herodotus. When Greeks were whipe out from the Western Mediterranean by Carthaginians (Battle of Alalia), Tartessos economy collapsed and his empire dissapeared.--Menah the Great 19:46, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tartessos - follow this link

Hi,

Try this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibero-Celt

Best regards Richard


[edit] Cartagena

The root word "Tarte" (indicating an enclosed place) survives in a Basque dialect. I believe that RSS was a semitic suffix to indicate casting or foundry work. So the name Tartessos could well have meant "The place of the foundries". A strong case can be made for the siting of this ancient city on the spot where modern day Cartagena now stands. Cartagena is in a deep inlet from the coastal mountains on the Easten Iberian peninsula, and this inlet is fed by two rivers. The early, walled city was actually on a peninsula, deep within the inlet, formed by the Mediterranean in front and to the South, and a marshy lagoon on its inland side. The surrounding mountain sides were heavily wooded, and Mastia or Tharsis, (other early names for this city) was famed for its ships. Long before the Carthaginians, and later the Romans, occupied it, this city was pre-eminent for a radius of at least 150 km and was famed for its silver and lead [[[mining|mines]]. A short way off, the same tribal people (the Mastieni) had gold mines (present day Rodalquilar) and copper mines (Los Millares - 3,300 BC). Archeological excavations have certainly produced remains of advanced civilisations that peopled this area around 2500 BC.

Part of it sounds like original research. Provide some reference. --Error 01:26, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

It is believed that Tarte was the original name of Tartessos and that "ssos" ia greek, used to identify cities (like Kno-ssos): http://www.pressbox.co.uk/detailed/Science/Atlantis_in_an_Iberian_inscription_of_more_than_6000_years._The_oldest_writing_of_western_Europe._33937.html --Zulu, King Of The Dwarf People 15:35, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

I believe that —ssos is more usually recognized as a Pelasgian, pre-Hellenic element where it occurs in Greek toponyms. --Wetman 20:09, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Off-topic

The following statements, whether or not they are trivially true, add no relevant information to the subject of this article. Explanations of what "Tartessos" might imply in those context might possibly help the Wikipedia reader at those pages, if "Tartessos" is an element worth mentioning. --Wetman 23:47, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

  • In Wizkids' Pirates of the Spanish Main CSG, there is a Spanish ship named La Tartessos and references the long lost city.

[edit] Tartessos as a city

As far as I know, Tartessos was never cited in any source as a city, but rather a region or a geographical location (river). Just a passing note, but maybe I'm wrong ;) Cheers! Dr Benway 15:07, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Yup, I'm wrong :P Apparently a IVth century Roman historian by the name of Avienus describes the city and it's layout in good detail in his work Ora Marítima, as well as the earlier Strabo, and probably a bunch of others. Dr Benway 14:28, 2 July 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Peniche: a Phoenician colony?

I have been trying to find out the origin of the town of Peniche on the Portuguese coast especially in relation to the Phoenecians. Although Peniche is supposed to have been a small community until the land-bridge developed it has an uncanny similarity to other Phoenecian cities, especially those along the Lebanese coast like Tyre. It is an island now connected to the mainland by alluvial deposits. But as it is on the trade route to Briton and Tartessos it must have been spotted as an ideal trading post, easily defended, by sea fairers of the time. The land bridge may have disappeared through storms and then re-appeared over time. An example of this is Romney Marsh in Kent, England, which has had terrible denudation by the sea several times, and within the last 2000 years. The name 'Peniche' is supposed to be derived from old Portuguese meaning 'small boat' but it also looks very much like a corruption of 'Phoenecian' or 'Phoenece'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rotten Egg (talk • contribs)

My friend... this is a complete fantasy and an example of popular etimology (or False cognate). Please! No original reseach! There are no Phoenician findings of any sorte in Peniche, and the historian José Mattoso (História de Portugal. Primeiro Volume: Antes de Portugal, Lisboa, Círculo de Leitores, 1992) and others, representing the best of contemporary historiography in Portugal, clearly state that there were no Phoenecian colonies or settlements in Portugal north of the Algarve (namely Tavira). There are a lot of myths regarding the Phoenician foundation of many Portuguese localities, even Lisbon. These are all 19th century inventions trying to find some sort of noble antiquity to Portuguese cities and towns. Of course there might have been some temporary commercial posts. That is all! And the commercial routes were essencialy carried out by the native people of Iberia. Tell me, why would the name of a Portuguese town derive from the English word for the Phoenicians? The Ogre 15:02, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tartessos in the Nantucket series

About a year ago someone removed mention of Tartessos being in S.M. Stirling's Nantucket series. That section was of poor quality, so I am wondering if the removal was because of the inclusion of a mention of the series, or because it wasn't presented very well. I am willing to add a bit about Tartessos in the series, if other people think that that would be a good addition. I'll give this a week or two - if no one answers, I'll go ahead and add that section. -- Imperator3733 (talk) 21:11, 9 May 2008 (UTC)