Template talk:Talkarchivenav

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[edit] Link to userpage and userpage template added

See Template_talk:Talkarchive#Add_Reference_to_User_and_Link_to_User_Page --roy<sac> Talk! .oOo. 04:34, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pre-filling another {{talkarchivenav}} in the new page link?

This would save me a little typing when clicking on the redlink to the next available archive page. Chris Cunningham (talk) 12:02, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

The basic idea here would be to get any redlinks to include the preload parameter. I've got a preload template at user:thumperward/talkarchivenav, so the links would need to look like:
Archive 2 >
Is this doable? Chris Cunningham (talk) 12:13, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Redlink to the next archive?

I don't like how this gives a redlink to the next potential archive, when none has been created yet. For example, if you are in Archive 2, there will be a blue link to Archive 1, and a red link to Archive 3. There should be a parameter so that no red link to the next archive appears, until that archive has been created. Cirt (talk) 15:40, 14 December 2007 (UTC).

Huh? The redlink is a great idea, because it reduces the effort of expanding into the next archive. There's nothing wrong with redlinks when they're specifically used as pointers for future development. Chris Cunningham (talk) 16:43, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
it reduces the effort of expanding into the next archive -- I do not understand this. What do you mean by this? Cirt (talk) 16:44, 14 December 2007 (UTC).
When one is creating a new archive (i.e. archiving more old threads from the current talk), the first thing one has to do is to create a new page at the correct location for the new archive. If there's already a convenient redlink to click then this reduces effort. I don't see the negative to having a redlink except some aesthetic belief that redlinks are always wrong. Chris Cunningham (talk) 17:20, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
I prefer to have some sort of automatic archival bot create the next archive. Then the redlink isn't really needed, and for those people that like to set up the next archive manually, it's easy to just type in the next number and create a new page. Cirt (talk) 17:22, 14 December 2007 (UTC).
I'd really prefer if bots could do archives well too, but that isn't currently the case. As someone who uses this template on a daily basis to manually archive pages, I find the redlink to be extremely useful. I still don't see that there's any argument against it except a dislike of any redlinks. Chris Cunningham (talk) 17:30, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Well, if other editors have found it useful to manually archive pages, I won't object. Thanks for answering my questions. Cirt (talk) 17:33, 14 December 2007 (UTC).
Why can't we have the best of both worlds? I've modified this template so that in normal uses, it functions exactly as it did before. However, now if you add {{talkarchivenav|noredlinks=y}}, redlinks will not be displayed! I also took the opportunity to expand the template from supporting 40 talk archive pages to supporting 50. Check the template documentation for the details of the new feature. Enjoy! Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 16:50, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
I don't think this is a good idea. It's going to make my job harder if people adopt it. Choice isn't necessarily a good thing. Chris Cunningham (talk) 18:13, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
Although I'm not exactly sure what you mean by your "job", I can't really see how this enhancement would make it harder. If you keep using the template in the same way, it will have thee same classic behavior. The only thing that will make it change is if you set the noredlinks parameter equal to y. If the parameter is missing or set to something other than y, the template functions in the same way that it always has. Is this a problem for you? Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 18:57, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
I spend a lot of time archiving talk pages. If someone else sets the parameter on a talk archive to "y", it means that it takes me longer to create new archive pages because I can't just click on the appropriate redlink. I can't see any possible benefit to this except for the aesthetic benefit of people who have some irrational dislike of redlinks. So in general I'm opposed to the option even existing. This isn't meant to be an attack on you (you've done a good job implementing it), but there are times when increased flexibility and more options aren't a good idea and I think this is one of them. Chris Cunningham (talk) 19:36, 21 December 2007 (UTC)