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Contents 1 First sentence 2 zz 3 E.Pottier 1902 reference 4 Bronze chariots 5 Cretan dialect

[edit] First sentence

Guarding what

[edit] zz

I deleted the See Also link to Achilles because I couldn't figure out any reason why the two articles should be linked. technopilgrim 23:33, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Perhaps it would be good to mention some references to Talos in later literary works? For example, it's mentioned in Edmund Spenser's "Faerie Queene", and is used as the name of an steam engine in William Golding's short story "Envoy Extraordinary". 193.77.93.167 15:45, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] E.Pottier 1902 reference

The following former reference is over 100 years out of date: "E. Pottier, who does not dispute the historical personality of Minos, in view of the story of Phalaris considers it probable that in Crete (where a bull-cult may have existed by the side of that of the double axe) victims were tortured by being shut up in the belly of a red-hot brazen bull. That would be also the origin of the myth of the Minotaur." The article by E. Pottier in La Revue de Paris, February 1902 was noted in Encyclopaedia Britannica 1911, when Minoan studies (Sir Arthur Evans) were still in their infancy. The fantasy à la Gustave Flaubert's Salammbo is based on Moloch in Carthage, not in Crete. This is mumbo-jumbo... --Wetman 12:44, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

There is an article on the brazen bull. --84.20.17.84 09:12, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bronze chariots

Jerry Pournelle interprets:

As to Talos, think a bronze armored chariot force able to deal with any invaders who got past the Navy, but hardly able to deal with a whole fleet of invaders.

--84.20.17.84 09:53, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cretan dialect

In the Cretan dialect talôs was the equivalent of the Greek hêlios, the sun

What does "equivalent" mean here? Cognate? --Alivemajor 16:18, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

No, its a word the Dorian invaders adopted from old Minoan. The word KAL occurs on Minoan tablets. The Dorian invaders added their linguistic suffix -os, so kalos, or talos. The origins of the word are discussed here : [[1]] --Theranos 07:30, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Owlish babble. The link is to Champlin Burrage, "Studies in the Minoan Hieroglyphic Inscriptions" Harvard Studies in Classical Philology 32 (1921: 177-183), an incunable of fanciful speculation on the Phaistos Disk, made before it was realised that Linear B is a form of Greek. We still have no clear idea of "Old Minoan", much less what adaptations Dorians might have made to it. Talos and kalos are not related. Wetman 09:28, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I stand corrected. Are you suggesting talos is merely dialect? Or its origins are too obscure to speculate? For reference here is the hêlios in the LSJ : [2]. It mentions another Cretan form abelios which has also (?) acquired a hard consonant. --Theranos 10:25, 12 October 2007 (UTC)