Talk:Taliban treatment of women
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Removed a section that was basically a big conspiracy theory (based on the "No original research"-rule), and modified it's surroundings to make it grammatically coherent.
I'd like to point out a few things about this article that seem to require clarification or amending. - Exaggerated claims: Can this be substantiated? This does not seem to be the consensus on the issue. - The policies were not popular outside Afghanistan: It should probably be noted that some Muslims felt these were in accordance to the Qur'an. - The anti-U.S. government stance: I actually agree that this was probably the case, but such accusations don't belong into an encyclopedia article. Seriously. --some anon
I made a slight change to the article in response to a long comment posted here on talk -- it is certainly true that the Taliban abuses of men were horrific. (You can see that comment in the revision history, and if the author wants, we can move it back here, but I'm hoping we can keep this talk page pretty clean as a 'working discussion', not a permanent litany of complaints.)
I added back the explanation for the U.S. attack on Afghanistan. Taw had removed it, calling it bullshit, and so I invite him to come and explain why. It certainly seems relevant to the history of the situation, and omitting it doesn't give the true picture. --Jimbo Wales
Nobody ever proved that there is a link between Taliban and WTC attack. Don't listen to US propaganda. --Taw
It doesn't matter if the link was proven or not. It's still the reason for the US attack. --Jimbo Wales
It's the pretext not the reason. --Taw
Then say so! The sentence is now worded as a claim by the US government. Whether or not the claim is accurate or jusitified is a separate issue, but the fact remains that this is the reason given for the attack, and that should be mentioned here. --LDC
Excellent change, LDC. Thanks. Taw, what do you think the reason it, then? --Jimbo Wales
Extending area of US control of course. The same reason why British, Soviets and Germans attacked various countries. --Taw
I don't think you understand America very well, Taw. --Jimbo Wales
Nobody ever proved that there is a link between either Taliban or bin laden and WTC attack. Don't listen to US propaganda. if you know arabic, you would notice binladen is "Happy" about the WTC attack, but never claimed responsibility
- At this point, I would say that the US has enough probable cause to arrest and bring to trial OBL. HOWEVER, much of the real infomation is obviously top secrete at this point. So your statement is also propaganda. BTW sign your statemets in the future - not doing so is plain rude. --maveric149
Moved this comment to the /talk (seemed to be advice on writing not article text):
(topics to be fleshed out?)
- Education for Women and Girls
http://www.supportersofshariah.com/Eng/project.html
- Employment for Women
- Dress codes for Women
Each section should attempt to accurately characterize (a) what the Taliban decreed (b) what the Taliban actually enforced, and to what extent they softened over time, looked the other way, or simply were unable to enforce due to a lack of resources (c) what the penalties were for violations, (d) other stuff like that.
Also removed stuff about terrorist attack that seemed irrelevent (and added needless controversy). It's late. I would have liked to add some actual content on the "exagerated claims".
I still have some things i would like to add to this article so it is a work in progress. Do you have any suggestions of what should be added? --Rmantle
[edit] Citations
I added the tag noting the necessity of citations, and removed some material that seems pretty dubious and needs to be cited if it is going to be included in this article. Jrkarp 22:58, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Sources
I tried to tidy this a little, but it could use some sources. I'll look for some if I have time. SlimVirgin (talk) 22:45, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Has the world gone mad or were people always this insane?
Sick religion-they will never take Europe. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.101.222.28 (talk) 16:07, 6 May 2007 (UTC).
- Actually, this isn't very different from what was occurring in Europe not all that long ago (go about 100-200 years back and of course all of the time before that). It's just seems really cruel because The West has modernized so quickly, and the Taliban still lives according to 8th-9th Century super-strict Sharia law. Thus, according to modern Western standards these people of course seem cruel and barbaric, just like by their standards The West no doubt seems lax, decadent, and sinful. So the lesson is...try to evaluate these touchy subjects as objectively as possible and always keep a NPOV! --Wassermann 16:46, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Wasserman: Now why would you want to defend the Taliban? Can you also defend Jews as well as this? IZAK 09:30, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
- I'm not here to defend anyone (the Taliban or the Jews), just to state the facts neutrally and to put things in to historical perspective. FACT: go back a few hundred years and the treatment of women in The West (and elsewhere) wasn't very different from what we currently see with the Taliban -- this is all I was stating. Hilariously though, it turns out that some of the Taliban may in fact be ethnic Jews...did you have a chance to read this? --Wassermann 11:45, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
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- Wassermann, don't leave provocative and misleading edit summaries about me again. I removed it before because it was unsourced. SlimVirgin (talk) 17:24, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
As a Pashtun, I found this article to be extremely offensive especially when it ties Pashtunwali with extremist interpretation of Islam. Has this article written by some one from Petagon or US/NATO military?Fateh
[edit] Zarmina's execution
I don't think that Zarmina's execution is a good example of Taliban's cruelty. She murdered a human and was put to death. I'm all against death penalty, let alone public death penalties but I suggest that we remove the picture and comments.
Northern 02:19, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
- The article is about Taliban treatment of women. The treatment of women cited in the article doesn't have to cruel, it just has to be treatment. So maybe the question ought to be what about the execution pictured is specifically treatment of women as opposed to treatment of those accused and convicted of murder in general.
- For example, did traditional differences in weighing of evidence between men and women (two women's testimony is worth that of one man's) play a part in her conviction? (please sign your name when posting) --Leroy65X 15:41, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
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