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Discuss Douglas Woods hostage crisis (in a verified and NPOV way) Add information about his family (including his daughter who defended him during the uncovered meat controversy) If possible, add information about the person, not just the controversies. For example, the controversy about holocaust comments mentions him being thrown off the Muslim Community Reference Group, but there's no mention in the article about when he joined the group in the first place. Maintain a verifiable and NPOV article. The last thing we need is a letter to wikipedia exploiting a chink in the article. His latest funding controversy

Contents 1 Muslim Brotherhood 2 Wages paid by "the Libyan Islamic Call Society and private individuals 3 Encounter with "The Chaser" 4 Support for Rudd 5 MEMRI source 6 Category: Arab Australians

[edit] Muslim Brotherhood

Was Hilaly part of the Muslim Brotherhood? Is there any material on why he decided to become interested in Hizballah instead? Andjam 01:06, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, this article in today's SMH says: "Egyptian-born Sheik Hilaly was a member of the Muslim Brotherhood but said he left it because it became too extremist." Jpe|ob 01:10, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wages paid by "the Libyan Islamic Call Society and private individuals

Though Hilaly generally preaches at Lakemba Mosque, which is run by LMA, they do not pay his wages. These are paid by "the Libyan Islamic Call Society and private individuals.^[1]" Mention of ICS[1] in relation to US$340,000. "The Libyan-based World Islamic Call Society (WICS), established with the sole purpose of spreading of Islam.... The organization established in 1982 in Tripoli, Libya,... predecessor 10 years earlier...formally an NGO, it actually is accountable to and dependent on the Libyan leadership, with Mu‘amar Qadhafi at the head...a bulk of its annual budget comes from the coffers of the Libyan state. http://ethesis.helsinki.fi/julkaisut/hum/aasia/vk/racius/themulti.pdf SmithBlue 00:47, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Encounter with "The Chaser"

This section is useless and counterproductive. A lot of people get sent up [satirized] by The Chaser and it doesn't warrant adding a rambling paragraph as an entire separate section to those articles; that's even sillier than adding it under "Controversies" (a misapplication), since it doesn't carry even that much significance. The incident in question would be more notable if there was enough substance to it to generate media response or public debate over it, thereby justifying a mention; however, the Chaser's piece is hardly three days old, and it seems a fan has deemed it worthy of inclusion simply on its own strength.

A POV article made up mostly of incriminating statements will not be improved by additions like these. Actually, no article would, since this is just cruft. -- Shoejar^talk/edits 12:43, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Any actionable changes you would like then? Just going its POV just does not cut it. Hypnosadist 13:34, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Support for Rudd

Blnguyen removed the thing about supporting Rudd, stating that it is not a controversy. Fair enough about it not being really controversial but since it's not noteworthy enough for the 2007 Federal election article, does this mean it won't be mentioned anywhere in wikipedia? Andjam (talk) 03:05, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

His highly controversial and anti-Australian "Retirement" and the shockingly brutal "Cleared of alleged links to Hezbollah" are also included in the Controversies section. Ironic hey? NPOV definitely not. SmithBlue (talk) 04:35, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

That's what lead me to make my mistake, as I didn't see the higher-level heading. The hezbollah non-stuff and the retirement will be moved, not removed, right? Andjam (talk) 04:56, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I probably was one of the ppl who used the "controversy" section when the article was hacked off in October last year by OTRS ocmplaint and then rebuilt. Everything should just be chrono...that way the integration of the Rudd thing isn't a difficutly. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 05:01, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Glad no-one took offense at my hyperirony. I too edited hezboll stuff without relising. Chrono sounds good to me. SmithBlue (talk) 05:14, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] MEMRI source

http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?ID=SP66404 The Mufti of Australia and New Zealand, Taj Al-Din Hamed Abdallah Al-Hilali, was born in Egypt's Suhag district in 1941. He graduated from Al-Azhar University and served as a preacher in Egypt, Libya, and Lebanon. ...The following is a collection of speeches and interviews by Mufti Al-Hilali... SmithBlue (talk) 02:11, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Category: Arab Australians

Hilaly was recented added to Category: Arab Australians. WP article Arab details various definions of "Arab" and the problems and complexities of each. Including that some definitions include grouips and individuals who explicitly reject being categorized as "Arab". The current reverting may or may not be part of this complexity/problem. Lets discuss this here. SmithBlue (talk) 04:58, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Egyptians are not arabs. Articles on Egyptian individuals don't have Arab category because they;re not ethnic Arabs. Thanx. 209.59.46.160 (talk) 05:08, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Please read Arab and explain where it is wrong. I'm fairly open minded on this at present. SmithBlue (talk) 08:00, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

I note that the Manual of style says, "The term Arab (never to be confused with Muslim or Islamic) refers to people and things of ethnic Arab origin." This would seem to preclude Hilaly. SmithBlue (talk) 05:29, 30 April 2008 (UTC)SmithBlue (talk) 05:31, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Actually I am a bit lost here. I'd always thought that Egyptians were Arabs but all I can say to justify this is "it is". So I don't really know what to do if theing are more complicated than this. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 03:15, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm with you here pretty much , I thought they weren't Arabs but then read Arab and thought they were as they speak Arabic but then read MOS and it says "no", that we only call ethnic Arabs "Arab". At least we need a strong cite saying that Egyptians are definitely "Arabs" before re-adding the category. SmithBlue (talk) 07:22, 5 May 2008 (UTC)