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[edit] Spam Notice on Article Page

How is this spam? It's describing what T-Mobile is. Please explain. --GSK 15:51, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] T-Mobile

A tag has been placed on T-Mobile, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article seems to be blatant advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the general criteria for speedy deletion, particularly item 11, as well as the guidelines on spam.

If you can indicate why the subject of this article is not blatant advertising, you may contest the tagging. To do this, please add {{hangon}} on the top of the article and leave a note on the article's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would help make it encyclopedic, as well as adding any citations from reliable sources to ensure that the article will be verifiable. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. T-Mobile UK section highlights product and pricing which is in violation of the Wikipedia terms of use. This is blatent advertising RÓNÁN "Caint / Talk" 23:36, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ADVERTISING

I am noticing a disregard for the standards emposed by Wikipedia within this article in relation to deliberate advertising of products and services by some T-Mobile national subsidiaries here. Examples include T-Mobile (UK), T-Mobile (Montenegro), T-Mobile (USA) and others. AGAIN I am going to put up an {advert] tag on this article until it is removed.-- RÓNÁN "Caint / Talk" 08:54, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] T-Mobile Austria??

Just seen here that T-Mobile (Austria) is left out of the main article which lists supposidly ALL T-Mobile subsidiaries! Is someone going to add this in? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ro2000 (talk • contribs) 14:31, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] ???

Is anyone having problems with getting a replacement blackberry pearl or rebate cards from t mobile usa? My Blackberry pearl began having problems charging over a week ago. I went to the T mobile store, they verified that the port was defective and I paid to have a replacement phone sent express to me. Today it was due to be delivered; T mobile says they are on backorder and currently expected to ship the week of the 27th. Also I bought the phone in May and still don't have my rebate card. They have been very misleading in the dealings. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.129.145.212 (talk) 20:41, August 22, 2007 (UTC)

Anyone remember what T-mobile used to be called in the UK? Secretlondon 09:47, Mar 3, 2004 (UTC)

One 2 One. And you can find the other former names at [1] andy 09:59, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)

It used to be called Westel in Hungary, where it also has seperate names for T-Com (formerly Matáv) and T-Net (formerly Axelero). Do they do this elsewhere?

Deutsche Telekom does, yes. T-Mobile is just one of its subsidiaries, all of which use the T-prefix. ProhibitOnions 22:41, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] T-Mobile Internet Problems

Is it me or are the T-Mobile servers undergoing maintenince? I am having on and off internet access right now. --pile0nades^{talk | contribs} 23:11, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Nothing to do with the article ^^; Shamess 12:11, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] $46 billion or $24 billion?

Reverted an edit which said the acquisition of Voicestream by Deutsche Telekom was worth $46 billion.

That number was from mid-2000 when the deal was first announced. By May 2001, when it was finalized, it was worth mid $20's billions (various sources range from $24 to $29 billion).

Source: http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/stories/2001/04/23/daily27.html "The VoiceStream/Deutsche Telekom deal, first announced in July 2000, was initially worth about $50 billion. But Deutsche Telekom shares have weakened in overseas markets, bringing the value down."

--Nate Silva 00:48, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Blackberry is American?

Under the section "The Czech Republic," the last sentence is "T-Mobile is the only wireless provider that offers their customers American products, such as BlackBerry which is widely popular among European businesses."

Research In Motion, the company that makes it is Canadian. Should we fix this? I mean, I don't want to fix it without knowing the full details. --Dan 01:02, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

You're right. Reworded as "North American", which would be accurate. 24.139.30.75 23:50, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

- - - False info ****

"T-Mobile is the only wireless provider that offers their customers North American products, such as BlackBerry which is widely popular among European businesses."

Definitley not true. Vodafone offers BB as well, not to mention Microsoft BB-like devices (Windows Mobile 5 + Exchange 2003).

I think there is confusion here. The sentence is referring to the Czech Republic. Does Vodafone exists in the Czech Republic and do they or anyone else offer Blackberries or equivalent devices? The original wording was misleading since it talked about European businesses. Of course, what it must be referring to is Czech Republic businesses... Nil Einne 17:36, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Vodafone Czech Republic is the 3rd largest wireless carrier in that country. Telefónica O₂ (CZ) also offer blackberry to Czech customers. -- RÓNÁN "Caint / Talk" 23:38, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Advertising T-Mobile USA

I've taken a lot of advertising phrasing out of the USA part of this article, but left this bit in, which was subsequently removed: "As a GSM carrier, [T-Mobile USA] is often first with desirable phones such as the T-Mobile Sidekick and the Motorola RAZR." I suppose the bit about "desirable phones" might be NPOV (and "new models" might be better), but the essence of the sentence is the fact that TMO (and Cingular) are often first to market with neat phones because they use GSM, by far the most common worldwide standard, rather than CDMA. Both of the devices mentioned were available for GSM many months before versions for other standards became available, for obvious marketing reasons. I think this is something that ought to be mentioned, although probably rephrased. ProhibitOnions 22:41, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] T-Mobile American?

Why is there an American Cellular provider template at the bottom of the article? Its part of the Telekom and is therfore obviosly German. I lived in Cologne, where the giant pink T-Mobile advertisment towers above the city on the Television Tower. Saying T-Mobile is American would be the same as saying Ford is German on the German Wikipedia. Regards, Signature^brendel 05:49, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

It's not "pink, it's "magenta".

Those boxes are GSM operators that operate in those territories (hence the UK one being there too). KevS 13:13, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] T-mobile USA 3G

everybody is wonder what frecuency will use T-Mobile USA 3G, same as cingular 1900 or 2100 same as in europe. if t-mobile chooses 2100 will be great because we can still using the same 3g phone we bougth in europe and european will get 3g roaming services in the USA

- It will be 1900Mhz because t-mobile doesnt have licensing to the 2100 band in the US

It's going to be 1700MHz/2100MHz. T-Mobile USA won auctions across the country for those bands (by "across the country" I mean, like, 100% coverage, if they want to do that.)

Unfortunately these are not the same bands as Europe (well, the 2100MHz is, but it'll do you no good to have a phone that can only receive and not transmit. Or is it the other way around?) While T-Mobile has 1900MHz spectrum too, it's unlikely to pair up with the same 2100MHz spectrum and, in any case, they're using it for their GSM network.

That said, pretty much every GSM phone these days is tri- or quad-band. There's no reason UMTS phones will not end up the same way. Squiggleslash 21:48, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

- Devices such as the HTC Hermes (aka the TyTn / O2 Trion) can work in the US and Europe as they can handle all the various 3G bands, so if you're after a truly portable device keep your eyes peeled for a device like that :)

(tip: check the xda-developers.com forum for more discussions like this and if you want more info, I'm a user on there and the people on there have helped me out with many problems and I've learnt a ton from there, so if you fancy expanding your mind just drop in. :)

Christopher 22:36, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] T-Mobile USA Competitors

I don't think we need the T-Mobile USA Competitors section in the article because the American mobile phone companies template provides the same information. -- Masterpjz9 17:38, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Spam Article

Is not this just one giant ad? Soapy 00:54, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

At the moment, I think it sort of looks that way, especially the UK bit. It personalises (using "you pay", etc) the information too much.Shamess 09:33, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

I put a lot of effort into compiling a useful few paragraphs on T-Mobile's UK services... I don't appreciate coming back a while later to find that someone thinks that due to the grammatical inconsistency (my bad) they've just deleted it. If you think it requires clarification or alteration to more appropriately suit the grammatical style and flow of the article, edit it, don't just delete it.

A lot of verified factual information went into that article, plus a fair bit of time writing it to boot. It served a purpose, it wasn't spam in the slightest (to find this information elsewhere you'd have to read around MANY sites and sift through a lot of rubbish, and I always thought the whole point of Wikipedia was to provide a more current encyclopedia with appropriate facts about its articles' subjects). Maybe what I wrote could be condensed a little more, but I thought the paragraphs I added suited the content and nature of the larger T-Mobile article just fine, and I may yet reintroduce them (with a rewording and some modification to the grammar to improve its consistency), because I still consider the information I added to be relevant and not-spam. I make a habit of not spamming, I don't like it and I certainly wouldn't bother wasting my time writing new content with the sole aim of using it for purposes of spamming. It was about T-Mobile, the article is about T-Mobile, it was a breakdown of their UK services - why shouldn't that be allowed?

Or should we be stubbing this kind of information now? <rolleyes>

Christopher 15:50, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Links to be removed

"External links T-Mobile Flext T-Mobile Flext Tariff Details T-Mobile USA Hotspot Home Page HowardForums T-Mobile USA Wiki HowardForums T-Mobile USA Forum Article outlining the history of T-Mobile"

I'm removing the links T-Mobile Flext and T-Mobile Flext Tariff Details because they are commercially driven - what they are doing is forwarding the user to a site which gives lots of links to the T-Mobile site through a click-through affiliate system. I'm sure that breaks Wikipedia rules. --Jonnymoblin 13:33, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

I have added an {advert} tag to highlight this point as their are edits, particularly in relation to the T-Mobile (UK), T-Mobile (Montenegro) and Hotspots sections which are suspect. In the T-Mobile (UK) section the pricing of T-Mobile products within that durastiction are highlighted. In T-Mobile (Montenegro) the sentence "EDGE technology brings T-Mobile Montenegro closer towards providing UMTS, the 3G successor to GSM." is also suspect, and finally within the Hotspots Section vendor locations of T-Mobile (USA) Hotspots are lighlighted. -- RÓNÁN "Caint / Talk" 18:47, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Since no one has offered to remove the blatent advertising of T-Mobile International products since my addition of the {advert} tag, i have removed these in order to help this article meet the standards and terms of use, set out by Wikipedia. -- RÓNÁN "Caint / Talk" 18:32, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] UK - Incorrect data

There is a difference on T-Mobile UK subscribers on sessions 1.11 and 3. Session 1.11 claims that T-Mobile UK has over 19 million subscribers; and Session 3 states that it has 16.7 millions. Anyone knows what is the correct one ? Josemando (talk) 19:53, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

I do not think that MVNO operators count towards the (contract numbers) position of the company, regardless though T-Mobile where not the first to introduce HSDPA (3.5G) in the UK market - Vodafone launched in June 2006 whilst T-Mobile was August the same year. 194.62.232.102 09:46, 30 November 2006 (UTC)neurachem

That said, Vodafone STILL haven't (as of December 2006) rolled out the HSDPA portion of their 3G network for use yet, and while they're selling HSDPA-able phones, the HSDPA aspect isn't enabled (by Vodafone, users can usually enable it themselves with a homebrew hack)... They continue to drag their heels whilst T-Mobile have made (imho) some pretty impressive headway in releasing their services for all users on what I consider to be the only reasonable tariff available in the UK (their £7.50/mo 'unlimited' usage package, which is actually something like 10gig/mo fair usage, though not strictly enforced). I'm not trying to promote services here, just stating personal opinion. Even though TM didn't roll out their HSDPA network first, they were the first to activate and promote it, offer it for use by regular joes like you and I - and this shouldn't be forgotten when comparing network providers.

Christopher 15:38, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Would something along the lines of "T-Mobile rolled out the first commercially available HSDPA service in the UK" be more suitable as it would remove the ambiguity (i.e. Vodafone might have had one live for Vodafone to play with, but T-Mobile's was the first you could use as a subscriber)? KevS 13:19, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Can I enquire as too where you got this information from since based on all data sources I've seen indicate this isn't true - http://online.vodafone.co.uk/dispatch/Portal/appmanager/vodafone/wrp?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=template12&pageID=PPP_0026&wt_oss=hsdpa - Vodafone's HSDPA service was marketed under the 3G Broadband label, and has been active since June - through any UE devices. "Even though TM didn't roll out their HSDPA network first, they were the first to activate and promote it, offer it for use by regular joes like you and I - and this shouldn't be forgotten when comparing network providers." Again based on what - this is an opinion and doesn't seem to be grounded on anything more, not least in that it doesn't appear to be true - the idea that any major telecoms company wouldn't / hasn't promoted its products is erroneous. I also can't find the pricing data you listed above - would it be possible to post a link ? Also since you seem to be writing as if in someway to the benefit of the readers it is worth understanding that (at this present time as far as I am aware) T-mobile are the only mobile Telco to actively try to block both IM and VoIP on their network (within the UK) compared to the other big four. 194.62.232.102 16:20, 29 January 2007 (UTC)Neurachem

[edit] T-Mobile subdivisions

Should this article really have every single division on one page, especially as each as effectively run as a seperate company?

There's little that T-Mobile USA and T-Mobile UK have in common, other than common ownership and a few branding schemes. Both have little relation to T-Mobile (Germany.)

What's more, both have a history which has nothing to do with their corporate overlords. T-Mobile UK, for instance, was one2one, and was one of a pair of operators (the other being Orange) that invented DCS, now known as GSM-1800 (the system was based on GSM but had a few enhancements.) They and Orange pioneered the 1800MHz band which eventually became standardized throughout Europe. T-Mobile USA is even more interesting, being a merger of several unrelated GSM operators. One of these was Omnipoint, which invented some fairly interesting DSSS technologies before ending up becoming a basic GSM operator.

I'm sure much of the same could be said for the other companies T-Mobile aquired rather than started.

To top it off, I suspect most people coming here want to know about the company that operates in their country, and right now that means wading through a lot of stuff that has little to do with their operator.

What do you all think? --Squiggleslash 16:42, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] T-Mobile USA prepaid int'l roaming

Please verify that T-Mobile USA does not offer int'l roaming. When I Google it I see rates for the above.

Jabez16 12:46, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

I currently have T-Mobile USA. I decided to test their service out. They do NOT offer Roaming as a U.S. T-Mobile "To Go" customer. My Sony Ericsson has a big crossed out "X" it I try to select the Cingular tower in my area... You CAN get roaming if-- you subscribe to a post-paid accound/monthly account with a 2 year agreement however... I've been told by one rep. you'll be charged roaming, another rep. told me roaming will apply only-- if I'm near the Canadian/Mexican border and if my phone happened to pick up a tower in one of those countries.

Another thing about To Go. To Go accounts CANNOT subscribe or connect to the Interent via the phone. Meaning you can access the T-Mobile "T-Zones" (which is just a basic cell phone portal) to download T-Mobile stuff but you cannot access stuff like the online Yahoo Instant Messenger for mobile. Nor google.com 's mobile tools nor anything that requires the wide open Internet. Also based on the refill card that a user purchases their unused telephone minutes will expire in either 30 days, 50 days or 90 days. Each of those depend on the amount of refill card purchased. CaribDigita 22:45, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm employed in cellphone activations for T-Mobile. As I recently (as of yesterday afternoon) attended a training session regarding this exact subject, here is 'the word' (as clearly as I can remember it): if you're standing by the border, you *can* get dinged for roaming charges if your phone jumps to a tower 'across the border' -- it's something that comes up quite frequently in our customer-support calls, and we can't do anything about it, unfortunately. As for the International Roaming issue -- it depends on the plan you chose; post-paid accounts allow int'l roaming, but FlexPay doesn't. You *do* get int'l roaming with To Go, but only on the T-Mobile USA network, and parts of Canada and Mexico. 64.180.205.246 (talk) 11:59, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Internet hot spots

Are they for free for cingular customers, or do they just provide hot spots for places like starbucks to use, to allow their customers to use if they buy something or pay a fee? I was wondering and the article does not state it. -ChristopherMannMcKay 00:38, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

The T-Mobile web site should tell you that info. MastrCake 06:42, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:MONET logo.gif

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[edit] Cingular and T-Mobile no longer share towers.

As noted in the article about Cingular, T-Mobile and Cingular dissolved their tower sharing plan. T-Mobile has accquired the towers as a FCC condition of the AT&T merge. 71.118.172.21 03:16, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] USA 3G: 474 million people?

T-Mobile obtained 120 bids covering 474 million people, which means they have multiple spectra covering the super-urban areas and should be launched sometime in 2007

Isn't the population of the US only ~300 million people? That 474 million figure doesn't make sense. --71.8.200.204 18:38, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

lol wow that's one big slip to have been overlooked lets try to narrow it down to where that- came from. CaribDigita 12:57, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Looks like it's been on there for quite awhile. I removed it for now, hopefully we can find an actual figure --71.8.200.204 23:02, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] T-Mobile Hotspot at Home

http://www.t-mobile.com/Promotions/HotspotAtHomeLearnMore.aspx

some mentione should be made of this, this represents fixed mobile convergence. Mathiastck 21:52, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Citing sources:

http://www.theonlyphoneyouneed.com/ http://www.t-mobile.com/promotions/TwoDeviceHotSpot.aspx http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=1138 http://cache.theonlyphoneyouneed.com/hotspotathome_specs.pdf

Mathiastck 20:30, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

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