Talk:Sylvia Likens
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On the Jonesboro Massacre and this (Sylvia Likens) page, under Trivia, it is mentioned that John Blake is connected, however neither page mentions how he is exactly connected to Sylvia Likens... If I missed the connection, which is entirely possable, then I'm sorry, but if not, could somebody please shed some light on what John Blake has to do with her?-Jeramiah Windsor 11:53, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
- Yeah, that confused me as well. I read the crime library article on this case. John Blake (born Baniszewski) is the son of Gertrude Baniszewski, who ordered her kids to torture Sylvia. Still, fataltourist 04:35, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
the title of the movie based on these events has changed according to IMDB.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.152.34.127 (talk • contribs)
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[edit] The "What If" Section
I see a possible revert war looming about this section; I'll say that the section is of very marginal interest and even insensitive. I would vote for its permanent removal.--Son of Somebody 05:56, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
I agree - this section contains no factual knowledge, and therfore has no need to be present. It offends me, as I wonder who we are to speculate on somthing that could have never happened. To say that some poor woman who died a horrible death would be headed into a life of substance abuse and further torture is both unfounded and unessessary. Leave it out! --Carmen marie03 15:43, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Tone cleanup
I'm marking this for not having encyclopedic tone. This is written like a story, not like an encyclopedia article. Addressing the reader directly ("Understand, this was the mid-sixties, when child abuse was not nearly the taboo it is nowadays"), for example, is inappropriate. User:Angr 09:00, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
I cleaned this up a bit, but it doesn't really matter. This article is basically the same as the crime site that is cited, and after reading the Gertrude page I realized that this one says nothing about her death. That article was just as bad so I didn't bother fixing it. I don't know what should be done to fix these articles. An article about the case might be better, though. 24.154.173.50 02:04, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] How can she be a child if she is 16 years old?!!!!!
I am 16 years old and i personally believe that i am an adult, i live in scotland, great britian and i am classified as an adult so therefore this young woman is not a child. Yes she would be a child if she was 6 years old not 16. Ok? We 16 years old hate being called children, were ADULTS we are mature individual so dont dare call us children ok?!!!!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.129.71.138 (talk) 00:25, 14 January 2007 (UTC).
- I agree with you, unfortunately in the United States and many other nations & jurisdictions, people under the age of 18 (and often under age 21) are considered minors...unless they kill somebody or sue for emancipation.--Son of Somebody 09:40, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
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- I do believe myself to be an adult as well at the age of 15 but maturity has little to do with legal age. Technically you are not an adult until the age of 18. Oh and as a sidenote if you want to be treated as an adult act as one,...
"We 16 years old hate being called children, were ADULTS we are mature individual so dont dare call us children ok?!!!!!! —The preceding"... Does not exactly sound mature. --Crawford15 04:25, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
"I, for one, am appalled and scandalized by this 16 year old from Scotland who calls herself an adult. Are you serious? Is that really what you pulled out of Sylvia's story? This girl was beaten, abused, mutilated, and, eventually, killed, and all you could grasp from her story was that they referred to her as a child? Are you saying that if something of that nature were to happen to you when you were her age that you would be outraged by the media calling you a child, more so than the fact that your life was taken? That, Miss Scotland, is why we refer to 16-year-olds as children. I can see now that you are older, so I should hope that you might be able to see now how immature and completely off topic you really were. I wish these sites about Sylvia were blocked for CHILDREN so the adult of us wouldn't have to run into anything quite so trivial and irrelevant." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.137.146.123 (talk) 22:23, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Cleanup and possible move?
Ths article still needs to be better. The melodramatic tone & purple prose used is at all appropriate for Wikipedia. I'm also uncomfortable with the step-by-step chronology of all the abuse Sylvia suffered -- not only is it a bit lurid, it's cribbed entirely from the Crime Library site. I think this would all be much better as an article called 'Sylvia Likens murder', to which both 'Sylvia Likens' and 'Gertrude Baniszewski' would redirect, since there's no information on Gertrude that isn't available in the Sylvia article as it is. Novazembla 00:50, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
OK, I've finished editing this for now. I'm not entirely pleased with the article, especially considering it relies so heavily on a few sources (the only ones I could find online). Feedback would be welcomed, on the writing, info, and especially on whether this and the Gertrude Baniszewski page should be merged. Also, I deleted a lot of speculation and theorizing that was pulled from the Crime Library site; I think that was the right move, but I'm not sure. I'm still a n00b around here, so any help would be great. I was a little appalled to see how bad this article was, considering a movie based on this case is coming out very soon and this article is the second result on Google for "Sylvia Likens". I think it's better, but I still don't think it's great. Novazembla 05:10, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
- The external links definitely need to be changed to references, a task I don't mind doing, but I'm leary of doing so if the page will be moved and altered. I don't believe it should be merged, however, since both articles will be heavily visited once the movie adaptation is released. The story is also featured on the Crime Library, which is obviously bringing in traffic, such as me, heh. Any further comments are welcome, however; I'll hold back the refs until later. María: (habla conmigo) 12:34, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm removing the part about the similarity between the "Let's go play at the Adams" because it's ridiculous and it's only on CrimeLibrary, which is rather prone to bad research. Not a fact, just somebody's opinion. Er 01:52, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Editing and references
I've done quite a bit of work on the references in this article and feel like it looks a lot better. I'd personally be happy to find other references to put in besides the Crime Library ones and will keep looking for them. I substituted the Indianapolis Star article as a reference in places where it was possible. Wildhartlivie 07:28, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Opener
Gecko is my name... Seth Gecko. Anyways, I don't see the point of a past perfect verb being put after "Sylvia" and all that other clutter including "was". I don't see the point. I'll be changing it RIGHT now. Comment below on my changes. -- ₪ SETH GECKO ¥ Give me a conversation ƒ My Contributions ¥| ₪ —Preceding comment was added at 09:01, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Abuse & Death... Section
Hello! I have a question about this article. In the Abuse & Death... section in the 4th paragraph, the article mentions a man named Richard Hobbs. There is no previous mention of this person in the article. Could the author of this article please clarify who Richard Hobbs is an how he is related to the article? Thanks! Cijimcb (talk) 05:54, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
