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[edit] What he does with the brains

Sylar's original ability was to be able to "see how things worked". Basically, an accurate extrapolation of the functioning of any complex system. It's almost certain that once Sylar removes a brain, he is able to look at it (maybe analyze it) and "see" how the ability works and thus replicate it. (it has been noted in the series that the brain is the focal point of all these abilities). All the things about eating it or DNA merging etc... seem a little too weird. Eating it is just silly, and as for DNA merging, there would be no need to take DNA from the brain specifically, any old live cell from the victim would suffice as a DNA sample.

[edit] Sylar was never the original Exploding Man

I know future Hiro states that the CheerLeader had been killed, and as such Sylar surived long enough to explode. However, Hiro had been knocked into the past, he wasnt there to see who exploded, we KNOW, that it was Peter who finally exploded, both in the present and in the Alternate Future's Past. The Cheerleader was alive in both these alternate realities, the only reason New York didnt get blown up was because the Cheerleader was reunited with her Biological father, and convinced him to be present at kirby plaza. Had nathan not been there, to fly Peter into the sky, then things would have played out exactly like they did in the original alternative future. Things are still playing out along those lines to a degree. E.G. Candice has been killed by Sylar, therefore he could still kill Nathan, and take his persona. At the moment, the only thing I cant explain, would be how Sylar survives the explosion caused by Peter. Also, if you think about a ripple effect, Peter meeting Claire, and as such her meeting Nathan, would have altered other things too. She wouldnt have been interviewed by Parkman after the attack at the school, he wouldnt have noticed the inability of reading their minds caused by the Haitain, and Parkman would never have suspected Bennet of anything suspicious. Therefore, he would never have joined forces with him, and bumped into DL Hawlkins & Niki (Jessica), at kirby plaza, although not shown, it is likey Bennet and Parkman directed them both to Nathan, who then directed them to Linderman, which then lead to Lindermans Death. (Possibly DL's death too - Perhaps he died of the gunshot wound) The Ripple Effect is quite hard to follow at times, but if you think about it, Claire not finding Nathan, leads to Nathan not directing them to Linderman, which leads to not finding Micah, which would be how Micah died in the Mendez Painting, he would have been in the building as the bomb went off. I applogize if this sounds like a rant, but im surprized that no one has mentioned the ripple effect caused by Hiro Nakamura's time travel. The integral moment of the series, which seems to have saved New York, doesnt seem to be "Saving the Cheer-Leader" it seems to me, to be more along the lines of "Reuniting the Cheerleader with her father." Baaleos 12:05, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

And if this were a fan site we might give credence to this. But it's not. You might want to try the www.HerosWiki.com, they are a lot more fan-based over there. Padillah 12:13, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
Actually, things had already dramatically changed by that point. If Peter had exploded, the future would have been different, as Niki, Candice, Molly, Mohinder, Matt, Mr. Bennet, Candice, and Sylar would have died. Ophois 04:55, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] BoogeyMan

The article incorrectly states(in the cannibal bit) Molly was talking about Sylar when in fact she says he is someone else.

  • The Boogeyman is Sylar. The Nightmare man is the one "worse" than the boogeyman. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.156.174.130 (talk) 21:58, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

The nightmare man Molly is scared of and is put into a coma by is the mind reading cop's father.

[edit] Another power

Though it wasn't clearly obvious, Sylar might have stolen a power (similar super-speed, flight, or quick teleportation). I notive this in "Homecoming", when Claire and Peter were climbing up the bleachers. When they reached the top Sylar was still at the bottom, yet seconds after Claire leaves you can hear a sort of "whooshing sound" and Sylar is suddenly at the top in front of Peter. He also seems to be much taller than Peter (more like he was floating instead of being naturally taller than Peter). Since this can't be confirmed however, I know it can't be included in the article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.167.229.159 (talk • contribs).

By using his telekinetic powers on himself, he could theoretically "levitate", right? Perhaps he did this to get to Peter, which would also explain the lack of footsteps while Peter is not looking. Bio 21:00, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

He seems to be able to levitate as when he kills Dale in Unexpected she says she couldn't hear footsteps and he responds by saying "Thats because there wasn't any."

Well Sylar is very advanced at his telekinisis so he probably used his telekinisis to make himself levitate or at least that's what my theory on this matter has been since Homecoming. Knight Whitefire 02:21, 24 May 2007 (UTC) i think he got the levitation from james walker

[edit] Sylar's revival

Mr. Bennet said that Sylar altered his own DNA to acquire powers. Sylar seemingly "died", then came back to life. I think those are related. This is speculation, but I think Sylar has the biological manipulation Ability - that would let him alter his own DNA, and control his body to fake his death. What do others think? --Stabbey 04:32, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Biokinesis. Unless they state that directly, we've got nothing. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 21:14, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Biokinesis is a neologism. Therefore it's never going to get stated directly.Jacobshaven3 11:38, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Sylar seemingly died, sometime after an insect crawled across his cell bed. It looked like a cockroach, could he have stolen DNA from a cockroach? cockraoches can slow their heartbeats, live without food for long periods of time, are highly resistant to radiation and can stop breathing for long periods of time. 64.231.11.223 03:23, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree he can take abilities from others why not a coackrach- Red Spider Man 3/1

I also agree, I think this interpretation is intended. Unfortunately, it is impossible to confirm as of now. If it remains permanantly unanswered, then it might be reasonable to eventually add this in as being "hinted at" or something. Hopefully it will eventually be confirmed, though. AllUltima 05:10, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

We can take this into consideration (This is quite a good theory) but we also have to remember that Sylar also has a power that makes him super resistant to damage and death (As seen in what I believe was the graphic novel Road Kill). Knight Whitefire 22:36, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

The cockroch theory was once again confirmed in "How Do You Stop and Exploding Man?," when Sylar crawls into the sewer after being stabbed and a cockroch is shown crawling on the sewer grate. The cockroach's power to fake death is definitely an implied power of Sylar; whether it should be put in the actual article is questionable, however. Billchu13 18:12, 5 June 2007 (UTC)6-5-07

This has been answered in Season 2 as Candice Wilmer, dragging his body into the sewers.

I like the idea of him taking Cockroach dna, but surely, he has only ever been seen taking "Special peoples" dna/brains. Does this mean, he would have had to find a "special" cockroach? Cockroaches also evolve fast, maybe thats part of his dna stealing mechanism? Baaleos 12:09, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Alternate Future

Shouldn't the Alternate Future Section come before The Hard Part? Seeing as how the rest of the page is formatted this way shouldn't this be changed as well? Lyle A. Ruggles 16:59, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

No, it shouldn't. In order for the article to be comprehensive and easily understandable, the events in a character's biography should be written in the order they occur in the person's life. It would be confusing to describe recent events (Genesis and following episodes), then past events (Six Months Ago), then recent events (Fallout and following episodes), then possible future events (Five Years Gone), then revert to the present again (The Hard Part). If you were reading a biography of Elizabeth I, you wouldn't want to read about her coronation, her death, then the problems she faced with the church immediately following her coronation. When reading about Sylar, you want to read about the past, present, and future in that order. Arwen undomiel 03:17, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
All I am saying is that since Sylar is on a TV show and how the alternate future bases everything on what has happened up to that point it should be before The Hard Part. Also the fact that the section focuses on an ALTERNATE future it should be noted that that was the branching off point.Lyle A. Ruggles 05:54, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Character biographies should follow in universe chronology as far as I'm aware. In fact, the alternate future probably should be in a seperate section entirely, just like the alternate versions of comic book and other tv characters. (examples include Emma Frost and T'Pol. Jacobshaven3 09:28, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] How the Heroes would always have an advantage over Sylar:

Hiro Nakamura can teleport/time travel on a whim, and so Sylar will never be able to get his ability, since he eats brains and stuff :) Oh yeah, now he's dead too. (Or his he?)

Not that this has much to do with the article, but on the flip side keep in mind that Sylar has absorbed and probably will absorb powers that the others don't have. To date Peter has only apparently gained Sylar's telekinetic ability from their encounter, so it's not clear that he would be able to mimic all of Sylar's powers. For example, in their alternate future encounter during the series, it was clear that Sylar had illusionary powers that Peter did not. Likewise Peter never demonstrated Sylar's superhearing or freezing abilities. Dugwiki 17:00, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Adjusted the language about cannibalism

After reading the actual references provided in the article, and the discussion above, I modified the language in the section on Sylar's powers to make clear that literal cannibalism is speculation at this point. I included the actual quote from the executive producer on the subject within the article, and noted that the interview with Fuller mentioned that cannibalism was the original concept (but not necessarily the concept they are actually currently going with.)

Regardless of whether or not the cannibalism is actual, there is at a minimum metaphorical cannibalism taking place. For example Molly's quote and Sylar's "sink his teeth" quote are, at the very least, metaphorical. Of course, it's quite possible they are literally accurate, but we won't absolutely know for sure until at least season 2.

So for now I strongly recommend that the article not speculate on whether or not Sylar is a cannibal. Rather, leave it to the article to point out that the series intentionally leaves vague what exactly Sylar does, but that cannibalism is a popular and possible method for his power assimilation. Dugwiki 21:48, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] In Five Years Gone, How does anyone know if Sylar was PHASING through the wall or LIQUIFYING its MOLECULAR structure...?

Seriously, who knows? The wall did kinda of bubble oddly when his arm came through it... I'm not even sure which one it was. Chozen1 11:14, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

He phased through it. If he had liquified the wall it would be a puddle on the floor. Plus the special effect they used was identical to the special effect that they used for both D.L and Peter. Note that Peter presumably doesn't have the liquifying ability since he never met the guy who could do it. He did, though, meet D.L. Also note that it's less likely (though possible) that Nikki would have romantically hooked up with Peter in the five-years future if D.L. were still alive. Dugwiki 16:45, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Actually, the effect is different than DL's phasing. It is much more like the molecular manipulation. My first thought when watching it is that he had mastered the molecular manipulation, much as he masters all his powers given time and practice; thus he would control if it liquifies into a puddle. As for DL being dead, it is far more implied that he died from the explosion than Sylar.

Sylar phased cause peter said "my brother cant walk through walls.who are you?" Chucky88


Well, DL was given to Parkman by Bennet, o I'd say that conclusively covers him surviving the Bomb, and since there has so far been no instance of liquification working like that, but we have seen phasing work like that, I'd think that was most likely the ability. Since Candice was also given over to Parkman, and she must have died, it seems logical the same came of DL (and thus Molly too probably), since DL would be impossible to imprison otherwise. Jacobshaven3 08:17, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The man in Episode 3 (One Giant Leap) who tried to kidnap Molly was not Sylar

I think that the man in Episode 3 (One Giant Leap) who tried to kidnap Molly was not Sylar: 1.- He was shot and didn't die (Sylar has not got that power). 2.- He could find Molly (he could be "the worse than the boogeyman" villain Molly talked about in Episode 23). 3.- Although he is in the shadows we can see he doesn't look like Sylar (Zachary Quinto).

As far as I'm aware, it was Sylar. Sylar has stopped bullets before using his telekinesis and we don't know what powers he may have, he has more than he's already shown at least. Plus, it wouldn't be tough to follow the FBI to find her. The actor used was the same actor that played Sylar up until Zachary Quinto was revealed as Sylar. There is no indication that the unnamed person scarier than Sylar wants to chase Molly. Theres no proof she looked for him until after this happened. Sylar killed Molly's dad, so must have sensed Molly in the least, so I'd say it almost definite that it was Sylar. Jacobshaven3 14:19, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

It was an uncredited actor I believe, not Quinto, but it was clearly Sylar (JamesTwisleton 22:01, 27 May 2007 (UTC)) In addition to the above points, remember that the man in that episode telekinetically slammed the FBI agent into a wall and started to force her finger to pull the trigger. In addition the method in which he killed the agent in the interrogation room (ie slamming the agent and his chair into the ceiling so hard they stuck there) is consistent with telekinesis. So his powers are clearly consistent with Sylar's telekinesis. Dugwiki 20:01, 29 May 2007 (UTC

That man has the power of telekinesis, but that does not proof he was Sylar, maybe there is another hero with that power. Instead he was shot but didn't die (we cannot see he stopped the bullets with telekinesis) and he disappeared by flying or getting invisble, and Sylar does not have those abilities. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.19.168.202 (talk • contribs)
I would like to point out that we see Matt shoot Sylar about eight times and we see Sylar fall down. True we don't see Sylar telekinetically stop the bullets, but when he rises, we hear the clink of several bullets falling to the ground; this is similar to what happened when Sylar stopped other bullets. Arwen Undomiel talk 22:34, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
  • I want to point out bsides the show of telekinesis one FBI was shonw to be completly frozen, another power Sylar had at the time of that episode. Sylar has also been shot several time during the run of the show and survived namely when Bennet shot at him --Addude 02:08, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
The most likely explanation for surviving gun shots is that he is telekinetically stopping or significantly blunting the impact from the bullets. He's done it explicitly a few times, apparently without all that much effort. And every time he's been shot he was aware of the person about to shoot him, so he's always had a chance to "psyche up" before the shots are fired. If I had to guess I'd say that the only way to successfully shoot Sylar is to catch him from behind or unaware. Dugwiki 16:05, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] James Walker and the cryokinesis

Could it be possible that James Walker was the person with cryokinesis? Sylar could have tested his new ability on him
AFTER James was killed. The edge where he cut James head is frozen all around, which means the head was cut first.
And ye, english isn't my first language.
213.112.109.3 21:04, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

It's possible James Walker had the cryokinesis ability that Sylar has stolen from someone, but obviously that's just speculation. It's also possible he got it from one of the other people that were mentioned to have been killed by Sylar but never shown on television. Dugwiki 21:22, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

james walker had the power of levitation? by:Chucky88

If you look at the scene, James' hand is lifting the utensil to his mouth, meaning that Sylar froze him while he was eating and before cutting open his head. Ophois 21:40, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
A theory proposed by User Ophois on the James Walker talk page that I agree with is that he had the ability that Sylar now uses to make quick escapes, so Sylar had to freeze him in order to be able to kill him. (Slick023 18:08, 15 June 2007 (UTC))
Once again, this is all theory is speculation, which are not appropriate for Wikipedia. Furthermore, the talk page is not a forum for discussing theories about how/why/when Sylar used his abilities. - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 19:52, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Changes to paragraph on Charlie in Texas

I noticed a speculative statement in the paragraph that said that Sylar learned Charlie had a special ability by watching her from the shadows in the diner. However it's equally as likely that Charlie was on Dr. Saresh's list and map that Sylar had been using to track down people. In fact, it seems pretty likely that the entire reason he was in that diner in the first place was because he knew about Charlie beforehand from the list. I therefore removed any implication one way or another as to how he had originally discovered she had a special ability.

I also removed the line that said he took her brain "despite there being a blood clot in it." First, it's not at all clear that Charlie's aneurysm (not really a clot) was something that would have influenced Sylar one way or another. There was no reason to think Sylar had any way of knowing Charlie was dying at the time, so there's no reason to mention it in the same sentence. (As an analogy, the situation would be different if Sylar knew about the aneurysm. If that were the case, and he killed her anyway, then it might be worth mentioning in the article because it would demonstrate an additional lack of compassion on his part, if that's even possible.) Dugwiki 20:02, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

He learned her ability by watching her. The list doesn't give abilities, so he didn't know what she could do until he overheard her conversations. Ophois 21:48, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Actually that's not even clear from the episode. All we can say for sure is that he was watching her in the diner and then killed her. It's never been mentioned or implied that he knew precisely what her power was when he killed her, or that if he did know what her power was that he didn't know about it prior to coming to the diner. For all we know he had trailed her prior to the diner scene, for example, or that he killed her knowing she had a power but not yet knowing precisely what it was. Dugwiki 22:01, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Sylar always waits to kill them until after learning about their powers (if not, he could take some very bad power and may not even know what the power is). Though I do agree that he may have learned beforehand, though the episode suggests that he learned it in the diner. Ophois 22:06, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
The above statement isn't actually true. For example, Sylar killed Claire's friend because he mistakenly thought that she was the superpowered person he was looking for. That girl had no powers at all, but Sylar clearly was going through with the brain extraction anyway. Dugwiki 22:11, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
P.S. I think between the two of us we finally have good compromise wording in that paragraph. Dugwiki 22:13, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
He went after Jackie because he was under the impression that she had regenerative abilities or at least a resistance to injury, since she wasn't injured in the fire. Ophois 22:19, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
That and don't forget that Claire was on the master list Sylar was using. Mr. Bennet said a few times early on in the series that one of his main concerns was that Sylar found out about Claire from the list. So it's likely he knew that Claire probably had abilities even before he arrived in Texas, but didn't know specifically what they were until later. Dugwiki 15:50, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Has Sylar ever said he waits to find out what the power was? Do we have definitive proof he does? If not it's OR and if there are peope that disagree its also POV. The article should be neutral. Jacobshaven3 03:18, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

It's never been firmly established that Sylar always waits to see what power someone has before he kills them. However, with the possible exception of Claire's friend Jackie, he does seem to have a little bit of patience and curiosity, chatting up or observing most of his victims before moving in for the kill. So while it's speculation and shouldn't appear in the article, it would be a reasonable guess to say he likes to satisfy his own curiosity on how a power works before killing someone. (That and after the incident with Claire in Texas it would make sense if he's a bit more careful to make sure he's killing the person he actually wants to kill.) Dugwiki 15:55, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Didn't Eden remove Claire's name from the list, before Sylar got to it? Ophois 18:09, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Hmm, I think Eden removed Claire's name from the list that young Saresh was using, but she didn't remove it from the original list and map Sylar had been using originally (the one they found in Sylar's abandoned apartment). It was after Sylar lost access to that original map and list that he became interested in getting a new list from the younger Saresh. Dugwiki 20:00, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
After Chandra Suresh contacted Noah Bennet, he sent Eden to remove Claire's name from the list. Eden would have been thorough. Ophois 19:36, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
But Chandra Suresh didn't contact Bennet until after Sylar already had a copy of the same list. Eden didn't know about Sylar's copy or his whereabouts until they found his abandoned apartment. Dugwiki 19:59, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Sylar found Brian Davis' name on a post-it note, if that's what you're referring to. Bennet sends Eden to erase Claire's name before Chandra agrees to team up with Sylar, though I don't recall Sylar ever being given his own list. Ophois 21:26, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
I was talking about Sylar's old apartment that Mohinder and Eden discovered in the episode One Giant Leap (Heroes). In that episode they found Sylar's old apartment with a secret room which included a very detailed map and other information presumably copied from Chandra's original map and list. (Keep in mind that Sylar was Chandra's first case study, and they had supposedly worked together quite a while.) Note that this was the first time Eden had been to the apartment - she would not have been able to remove Claire's name from Sylar's map assuming his map was generated from Chandra's original map and list. Later, when they come back with police officers, the apartment has been cleaned out and vacated, meaning that either Sylar or Eden or both took or destroyed the map and the evidence prior to that second visit.
So the apparent timeline is that, first, Sylar contacts and starts working with Chandra to "help him find other special people". Sylar in the process secretly makes his own copy of Chandra's notes and list and map that he keeps in his apartment. Chandra eventually stops working with Sylar, probably because he is suspicious of Sylar's activities. At some point around this time Eden moves into the next door apartment to keep an eye on Chandra and remove Claire's name from Chandra's list (but not yet knowing Sylar's location or about Sylar's copy.) She might have destroyed Sylar's map, but only after he had already been using it a long time and presumably already knew about a number of the people on it, very likely including Claire. Dugwiki 22:50, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
She was assigned to erase Claire from the list as Sylar first gained TK. For all we know, she erased Claire's name from the list the next day (with her power, she'd just have to order him to remove it and forget her orders afterward). Also, we don't know when Sylar got the full list. For all we know, he could have been taking names one at a time (like with Brian Davis). Besides, Sylar never had the full list, since the Company still needed Mohinder's help after taking everything from Sylar's apartment and capturing him. Ophois 23:30, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
That's quite a bit of speculation. Keep in mind that Eden never actually met Sylar until their encounter in Texas, but that Sylar had been working with Chandra for at least a little while before Chandra was killed. That means that it's fairly likely that Eden didn't actually meet Chandra until after Chandra had stopped working with Sylar. But by that time Sylar already had constructed his own copy of Chandra's map and started to add more information to it. Also, note that Sylar already knew Claire's name when he talked to Noah Bennet in his cell. The most likely way he would have known Claire's name is that he already had it from the list; he simply didn't know exactly what she looked like or her home address (until he stole Noah's wallet). Dugwiki 15:47, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
Yours is full of speculation, too. Besides, in "Fallout", Sylar comments that he knew Eden from before. Also, the newspaper article would have had Jackie's name in it, so he wouldn't have confused her with Claire. Ophois 00:55, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Don't assume he's actually read the paper. All we saw is that he looked at the picture. Unless it shows up that he actually read the article, we shouldn't assume that he did. Also, Sylar comments that he recognized Eden from before. Doesn't mean that Sylar had known her or she had known him. As far as we know, he could have just seen her living next door to Chandra, but didn't know she was anything more than a neighbor. PureSoldier 03:27, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

I wasn't saying that Sylar personally knew Eden. I was merely pointing out that Eden was Chandra's neighbor before he and Sylar split. Also, even if Sylar didn't read the newspaper, there was a huge sign saying, "JACKIE, YOU'RE OUR HERO" in the case. Ophois 07:47, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Also, I seem to remember Bennet telling the Haitian to erase Sylar's memories of Claire, though I can't find it in any episode now. Does anyone recall this, or am I remembering wrong? Because that may be how Sylar knows Claire's name. Ophois 07:51, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
I don't remember Bennet telling the Haitian to erase Sylar's memories of Claire. Either way, I'm not sure where we're going with this whole thread at this point. I don't think anything we're talking about one way or another will go into the article. Probably best to simply say we don't know for sure one way or another how Sylar initially heard or knew about Claire. Maybe she was on his map and list, maybe he stumbled across her from the news report, or maybe he heard about it another way. None of that should go in the article one way or another. Dugwiki 15:20, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
It may have been in a preview or something, because I remember there being discussion somewhere about how he remembered Claire. IIRC, that was also was Sylar asking "How's Claire?" was so dramatic, because he was supposed to have forgotten. Ophois 16:31, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Found it. It was in a preview for "Godsend" (http://youtube.com/watch?v=pihUBs3Z1Ls). Though it appears they removed it from the episode. Ophois 18:12, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

I was under the impression that Sylar did not get Charlie's ability. That Hiro's journey to the past had saved her from that fate, but not from her medical condition. Otherwise, wouldn't Charlie have recognized Hiro when he returned to the diner as the one who gave her the phrase book? Also the whole "crime scene" atmosphere within the diner is gone, being replaced with a memorial that looks to have been in place for awhile. Em I mistaken? SlowLX 00:25, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes, you are mistaken. Ophois 18:14, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
Mind filling me in on what I missed, so that I can "see" it. Thanks SlowLX 00:25, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Whatever force that guides Hiro's power stopped Hiro from saving Charlie. Sylar still kills her and takes her power, and he demonstrates the ability in one of the graphic novels. Ophois 00:18, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Thank you, I had not gotten around to the Novels yet. I was just comming back from a quick search which revealed the same example SlowLX 00:25, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sylar's Death

I think when sylar gets stab in "how to stop a exploding man" he fakes his death because A. Earlier in the show when sylar's painting you see his eyes show clips an then stop with him and Peter in Kirby Plaza, when he was on the ground his eyes so clips and then stop on him dieing and goes white either he is really deid or that Issac's power dong it and B. How would move Sylar's body into a storm drain not the cops, no one would help or hide him (possibly), so it would be Sylar him self hide down a storm Drain.- RREDD13 21:26, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Not to mention that Zachary Quinto's been signed on as a regular for Season 2. Cherries Jubilee 12:31, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

"it is unknown how Sylar survived"? Hiro's stab looked like it penetrated Sylar's stomach, which is not necesserily a fatal woundDAVID CAT

It is speculation to say that Sylar survived Hiro's attack merely because he is in Season 2. According to interviews, Sylar has been helped by the person sending the cockroaches. Because we don't know the nature of the cockroach power, we don't know the situation of Sylar's missing body. Ophois 18:16, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Also, keep in mind that sylar can 'figure out how things work.' It would make sense that it goes for more then other people with powers. We all know how hard it is to kill a cockroach. They can live for days with out there heads even. So the what if situation here is, he consumed the cockroaches power to be ability to survive. anonymous 8:55, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article relies too heavily on plot synopsis. Needs some more real-world analysis

I notice that this article relies a bit too heavily on detailed plot synopsis. Virtually the entire thing is a detailed point by point description of every scene involving the character. The article could really use some real world context, such as some information about what the producers or fans or Zachary Quinto think about Sylar. I would bet there are some decent interviews where they talk about Sylar in more of a real-world behind the scenes fashion.

So my advice would be to trim some of the excess plot detail and add a couple of paragraphs that explain in broader tones why Sylar is such an important character for the series, how he is perceived and handled by fans, actors and producers, and any out-of-show real world impact he might have if any. Dugwiki 15:31, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] personality

It's been strongly established that Sylar is a Narcissist in the extreme, believing that it is his destiny to be more than a Watchmaker's son. Also, he states that he kills other Heroes because it is only "natural selection" to him and that killing the innocent who hold no value for him is not what he wants to do. This is shown in both The Hard Part and Six Months Ago. This, in my opinion, must be added to the article because it is what makes Sylar tick. I'm just not sure how to do it. Any opinions would be appreciated. dposse 19:06, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

I agree Dragon queen4ever 19:02, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tragic villain

References 2. and 8. ascertain that Sylar is a tragic villain. I included this in the article but it was deleted by someone who based his decision on personal opinion rather than consensus.

I feel for you, what you have to do is to report the person who deleted it, state that it was done based purely on his/her own opinion or COI. If you continue to shout loudly enough about it they should lose their position on Wiki with any luck. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.177.121.70 (talk) 12:57, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

If you had signed your post I could have gone back in the history and see what was said and why it was removed. But, as it stands I'd just have to step back through and find it by happenstance, and I don't have the kind of time. If you want help, tell us where you want help, don't make it hard on us. Padillah 13:49, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Eden's Power

The article currently states that Eden took her own life to prevent Sylar from acquiring her power of persuasion. This, as far as I can tell, is untrue. Sylar has used the "Eden voice" on multiple occasions after killing her, and even used it to compel Suresh to show him the list of superpowered humans in "Parasite" (I may have the wrong episode). I interpreted Eden's death as Sylar telekinetically moving her hand to point the gun at her head, and then her trigger finger to have her shoot herself. He seemed to attempt the same thing on Audrey Hanson during "One Giant Leap", so it doesn't seem too much of a stretch. Thoughts? Do we need to revise the sections in all Heroes-related articles on Eden's death?

If Sylar forced her to kill herself, then why would he scream "No!"? He doesn't have her power. This has been stated by the writers/producers, who explain the "voice" that Sylar uses as just sound effects to be cool. Ophois 18:56, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Do we know anything about whether or not Sylar can take powers from a damaged brain like Eden's? FreemDeem 23:10, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't think that they've stated whether or not, but since he doesn't have her power, it implies that he can't. Ophois 00:20, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

The producers have stated on several occassions that Eden killing herself ensured Sylar didn't acquire The Voice. And the webcomic has Bennett and the Haitian coming in shortly after her death to tranquilize him so he wouldn't have had time to eat her brain or whatever anyway. Aexia 16:59, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

So how come he has used the voice? I'm sure I heard him use it on Ando when he went to kill Sylar StephenBuxton 11:30, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
As explained four lines up, it's just a sound effect the producers thought would sound cool. Ophois 12:02, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
It should be noted that Peter also does a funky voice effect when he confronts Isaac over his jealousy between him and that chick... whats her name.... Simmone Baaleos 12:13, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Syar's survival/resurrection

It has been confirmed that Zachary Quinto will return for the second season. This means that he is alive. Calling on a 17th-century samurai to magically revive him is extreme speculation. The most logical thing is that the wound was not fatal and he simply survived. - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 18:13, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Logic doesn't matter. I completely understand what you're saying and agree that he probably did survive, but it is speculation to say that Sylar survived Hiro's attack merely because he is in Season 2. According to interviews, Sylar has been helped by the person sending the cockroaches. Because we don't know the nature of the cockroach power, we don't know the situation of Sylar's missing body. Ophois 18:18, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
How was he helped? Was was barely alive and nursed back to full health? Was he resurrected? We don't know. Which is the greater speculation: that he wasn't mortally wounded, or that he was somehow brought back to life? The simplest answer is the former. Trying to piece together what might have happened from various interviews is a original research and unverifiable. If you can provide a source that explicitly states he died as was resurrected, then add it. Until we have to stick with the default position: that he simply didn't die in the first place. - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 18:30, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Not to be contrary but the reason I put "How (or if)..." in the first place is we have not seen Sylar since then and do not know (in terms of the series) that he is not, in fact, dead. If you remember correctly there were rumors that Mrs. Petrelli had some power or another but that has yet to be revealed. I feel the same about Sylar. Until he actually shows up in the second season we, as viewers, are left to believe he 'may' be dead. I know we use interviews to clarify canon when needed but this is something that I feel the show expounds on sufficiently, there is no need to clarify this point. It was left intentionally vague and should remain so. Padillah 12:45, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Not that I watch heroes (I don't) or that I care (I don't), but the correct answer is to completely remove the "it is unknown...." sentence out. Either version that you were reverting over, the if or how, is still original research and synthesis.⇒ SWATJester Denny Crane. 18:11, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Generations

Wouldn't mention of Generations belong on Quinto's page? Or it needs a stronger link to Sylar (as opposed to Quinto the actor). Padillah 12:11, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] In popular culture

Is it worth mentioning that Sylar's nickname comes from the face of a watch and that - similarly - the film [Zodiac|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zodiac_%28film%29] implies the Zodiac killer took his nom de plume for the same reason? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.170.119.239 (talk) 23:07, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

I was thinking it might be a good idea to include a mention of the fact that Sylar's father apparently left his mother. He says so in the ep where he kills her. Given the show's emphasis on family, the absence of Sylar's father would appear to be indisputably important and perhaps worth a line.