Talk:Swoon hypothesis

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OK so Jesus was scourged, crucified, stabbed in the side, wrapped in cloth from head to toe, put in a cave for three days, and just suddenly woke up and walked out of the tomb that was guarded by 120 roman soldiers and was blocked by a 2000 pound boulder? No jesus was dead but he was ressurected.Crion 18:22, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

--Other people survived crucifixion long before Jesus. The mode of death on the cross was usually that a person would suffer for 3 whole days, and then the Romans would break your legs so that you could no longer draw breath. In the gospels, Jesus is said to die after only 6 hours (or 9 depending on which gospel), and the very same Roman to declare him dead was the one who said he "truly is the son of God" only hours earlier. He was given a numbing agent for the pain and then his disciples carried over half a ton of healing herbs, not embalming herbs, into his tomb later (all of this is in the actual Bible). Whether you believe it or not, it's suspicious to say the least. Factually, it's a sound theory, and if your opinion is skewed by faith, that's really not what Wikipedia is for in the first place. 74.70.171.36 16:09, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

When Jesus was stabbed in the side, blood and "water" came out. When you are crucified, fluid builds up in the chest cavity. This is the "water" that came out. What is telling is the blood. When you die, if you are upright, blood pools in the lower exteremeties. Without a heartbeat, there is no pressure to force blood out of a wound. Because blood came out when Jesus was stabbed, his heart was beating. Plus, the release of the "water" probably helped him to survive as this would have released pressure on his heart. Plus, embalming was not a practice of Hebrews. That is why, to this day, Hebrews must be buried within 24 hours of death. Any herbs spoken of would be healing herbs. Also, Jesus wasn't buried, he was placed in a cave owned by Joseph of Aramathea, a wealthy man who could afford to do the bribing to save his friend, Jesus.63.146.238.102 (talk) 03:57, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Blood and water

Haughton wrote that the description in the Gospel of John of the flowing of "blood and water" after the soldier pierced Jesus' side with a spear was extremely unusual: to me it equals to state, that Jesus was the only man crucified or even the only man pierced to death with spear. Given that crucifixion was an extremely popular form of execution in the times of Jesus, and the spear, sword, lance, etc. were typical weapons (as pistols, rifles, automatic rifles, rockets, grenades, etc are now), it seems unlikely to me that anybody living in the neighborhood, especially the person who was educated to the level allowing him to write the account would NOT EVER witness crucifixion AND piercing of the victim's body in the case of ANOTHER man, not Jesus himself. Therefore, though I'm not a 'scholar' or any other 'expert' on Bible or medical sciences, using such argument to prove death of Jesus seems implausible to me. Critto (talk) 20:56, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

The individuals above forgot to mention that not only was Jesus crucified and hung on the cross for six hours, but spikes were driven through both of his hands and feet, which obviously causes massive blood loss. The majority of three day crucifixions the writer above mentioned were crucifixions that were done by binding an individual's feet and hands to a cross and leaving them upright for three days, spikes were rarely used. Jesus was also scourged amd whipped with whips that had glass and metal scraps attached them. These whips were used for the sole purpose of ripping an individuals flesh off their back. Jesus was also beaten horriby, to an unrecognizable state, which is noted in the Bible.