Talk:Swiss roll

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[edit] Origin of the name

I suppose, on the origin of the term, someone ought to hit the Oxford English Dictionary. I'm going to boldly guess ahead of time why it might have gotten the name. 1. It's a good soldier food. Because the sugar is in there, soldiers get energy, and because sponge cake is all around it, their hands are protected and the jam doesn't attract bugs. 2. The sleeping bag used by the Swiss may have been the first or most famous to be rolled up and stored on the back. Either one would be a good folk etymology. The real one...I await someone with access to an OED. Geogre 14:47, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

I have access to the OED through my University. (Hadn't actually thought of looking it up.) It doesn't have a separate entry, but "Swiss roll" was contained within the entry for the adjective "Swiss":

Swiss roll, a ‘sweet’ consisting of sponge cake rolled up with a layer of jam.

Later, when giving appearances of the word according to date, they have:

1897 Econ. Confect. Bk. 13 Swiss Roll. Ingredients. 1/2 lb. of Flour. 1/2 lb. of Castor Sugar. 9 eggs. A pinch of Volatile Salts. 6 drops Essence of Lemon.

Rather disappointing. I tried Britannica (also through my University password), and it was also of little use. It directed me to the article on cake, which mentioned swiss roll very briefly, saying that a higher temperature is used for thin products such as swiss roll.

I like the sleeping bag guess. The guess about keeping hands protected only works if it's just jam inside. If you sink your front teach into a swiss roll filled with cream, or jam and cream, the filling just splodges everywhere! AnnH ♫ 15:19, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm not fond of the soldier folk etymology, either, as it really needs a modern army. Infamously, M&M's were developed to allow soldiers to get sugar without getting their trigger fingers sticky (more important for keeping grit out of the action of bolt rifles). Thus, that's really a concern when your rifle has lots of sliding parts, which wouldn't have been the case in 1897. As usual with OED, the print reference assumes everyone already knows what the word means, which suggests that there are several print usages prior that no one has found yet. However, the camp roll does look like a Swiss roll, and there is all that lore about the Swiss army being the best in the eyes of Fr., Engl., It., and Amer. folks (cf. Swiss Army knife). Geogre 16:01, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] When did it lose its cap?

It was always a Swiss roll in my days. When did it become swiss roll? -- Smjg 13:14, 2 May 2007 (UTC)