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[edit] Removing Link

Link added by anonymous user is being removed,

Reasons being: The article quotes from book by Sil, already included in list of books

Also, visiting brothel(sometimes plural in the article while single incident is narrated) and consumption of alcohol are the only things mentioned in the article. But in 19th century Bengal, prostitutes were also great artists and connoisseur of art visited their places for the purpose of listening to music and watching dance. In fact, many of the drama artists were from class/caste of prostitutes, Shri Ramakrishna watched many of those dramas. Notion of brothel in India during those days is vastly different from that of western countries. And hindu spirituality does not believe in "eternal damnation" for finite 'immoral' acts such as assumed debauchery. Ramashray

Mr. Geoffrey has written the book after stripping his own mind. Utterly illogical depiction of events. He seems to have delibrately chosen to hide facts and analysis and chose certain lines to arrive at some pre meditated conclusion. He seem to have purposefully left the context out of discussion. Not worth wasting time to read or write a

[edit] Wiki Scroll

I just added a scrolling bar to the reference and external links bars. Please do not revert this edit. Thank You.

Thedeadmanandphenom 02:22, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tall claim

User:dab, Please discuss here why you feel that the sentence "He is a major figure in Hinduism and India" is a tall claim.-Bharatveer 07:24, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reliable Source needed to confirm cause, age, prediction of death of Vivekananda.

Mahasamadhi is not scientifically proved. Such superstitions are misleading to common reader. Hence 'mahasamadhi' theory of vivekananda is proposed to be deleted. Also the prediction about his death needs reliable source. The wikisource page which was cited as source does not exist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Abhishka (talk • contribs) 16:06, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Mahasamadhi is a very important concept of Hinduism and not a superstition and it cannot be omitted just because scientists haven't proved it because religious concepts are seldom proved scientifically. I have restored the death section with a reliable source. --Mankar Camorantalk 15:37, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] User:paul raj & ayyavazhi

Please see http://www.spiritus-temporis.com/swami-vivekananda/notes.html. From this "Dr. Poulose in his book Advaita Philosophy of Brahmashri Chattampi Swamikal (Ayyavazhi Publications), says that Atmanada Swamikal was the disciple of Ayya Vaikundar and Atmanada Swamikal learned the Marmavidya in Sidha vidya and ghecherividya (Chinmudra) from Ayya Vaikundar and Atmanada Swamikal further taught all these vidyas to his disciple, Sri Chattampi Swamikal. The book also says that when Swami Vivekananda arrived in Ernakulam, Sri Chattampi Swamikal taught this Chinmudra to him."

Dr.Paulose merely speculates that Swami Vivekananda have met Chattampi swamikal.(AFAIK , no other historian nor any other verifiable source exists). His statement that Atmanada swamikkal was "guru" of Shree chattampi swamikkal is wholly inaccurate because there exists multiple written sources completely describing shree chattampi swami's life. According to some of these sources( http://www.geocities.com/guruforum/Thycaud-Ayya-Swamikal.htm), Chattampi swamikal had learnt spiritual lessons from Sivaraja Yogi Thycaud Ayya Swamikal alias M. Subbaraya Panicker (1814-1909) ( No connection to ayyavazhi stuff).So accordingly; even if paulose's statement is assumed to be correct, in the context of this article ,only chattampi Swamikkal needs to be mentioned . -Bharatveer (talk) 10:25, 11 February 2008 (UTC)-Bharatveer (talk) 06:14, 12 February 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Neutral Point of View?

This article does not convey a neutral point of view towards its subject. Its tone is adulatory, if not worshipful, and does not match the tone of a typical Wikipedia article at all. Please: less praise, more facts. The encyclopedia-memorizing anecdote is particularly embarrassing. Facetious Nickname (talk) 05:16, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

You are right. I just removed a couple of adulatory comments. It looks better now. --Mankar Camorantalk 11:58, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
It might look better, but it still doesn't look good enough. There should be cites for all important points, and the tone needs to become way more neutral. If no scholarly references exist (this is unlikely) the article should be stubbed. Rumiton (talk) 13:02, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I am new to this article, however not new to Swami Vivekananda. Reading this article for the first time and having some knowledge of his personality, I did not get the feeling that it is too adulatory. Could you pls point out specifically which section seems to deviate from WP:NPOV? Also I noticed many of the reference links pointing to http://www.ramakrishnavivekananda.info are not working, the website seems to be down. May be its temporary, let's watch. Duty2love (talk) 03:32, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
This site is backup, so I will leave it, however I will continue to look for more reliable sources as well. Duty2love (talk) 14:09, 8 June 2008 (UTC)