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[edit] Category: Jewish American Writers ?

I relaize that her parents were Jewish, but she identifies as a Buddhist. Should she be classified as a Jewish writer? --Robb0995 01:03, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, she's certainly Jewish ethnically and culturally, even if she doesn't practice the religion. A lot of Jews aren't religious, but they are unquestionably still Jewish in many ways. Oh, btw, I'll add her to the Buddhist category. Vulturell 06:05, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

if that's the case, then she should be a Hebrew and still not a Jew. That's analogous to calling a non-religious Italian person a Catholic.

well, right or wrong, being jewish is generally considered an ethnicity in addition to a religion. I hate to use the holocaust as an example, but hitler didn't particularly care if the people he killed were practicing or not. You do frequently see a similar thing with catholicism, though in that case its more cultural than ethnic(eg lapsed catholic/recovering catholic). On Thermonuclear War (talk) 04:45, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Does Anyone Know About Suze's Personal Life??

Is she married? Divorced? Gay? She's mentioned that she is in a committed relationship with someone special - who is it? Does she have any children? birth, step or adopted? (68.77.5.131 01:53, 6 August 2006 (UTC))

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[edit] Homosexuality

Here is a link. --Lincoln F. Stern 19:57, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

http://americablog.blogspot.com/2007/02/financial-guru-suze-orman-is-gay.html

Woops, thats a blog. Here is a better link. --Lincoln F. Stern 20:00, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003549559

[edit] About the Feb 2007 articles

It is a fact that she is gay. With that said, it does not add to the article to say that she "came out as a lesbian" or that she was "never with a man". The term "coming out" gives the non-neutral impression that she has been hiding and she deserves the benefit of the doubt. If I went over to the article on George Bush and put in the line "he has never been with a man" it would be equally valueless. -- Mufka (user) (talk) (contribs) 01:56, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

I just added the virginity bit after seeing it linked on Drudge, sorry. I pulled it back out. - Denny 07:43, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

She was probably joking about the virgin thing. It's hard to tell since it's a print interview. Either way, it doesn't really need to be in the article unless it's later made clear that she was joking. Crumbsucker 13:08, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

It seems that there is still some insistence to edit the article with regards to her homosexuality. Most edits are by anon users and no one seems to be really discussing it here. I guess the discussion for consensus here should focus on using the term gay vs. lesbian (I think we should settle on homosexual) and on the value of including the fact that she was never with a man (which I think adds absolutely no value to the article). There also seems to be some tendency to include redundant information in the Trivia section (which almost seems to me to indicate that the editors adding such information are not reading the whole article first.) -- Mufka (user) (talk) (contribs) 16:00, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
The term "homosexual" is rather dated, so it seems an odd choice. In modern language, female gay people are called lesbians. What's the issue with calling her a lesbian then? And why are you taking out all references to her being gay from the article?? Please stop doing that. She's just come out in a national newspaper. There is no reason whatsoever to exclude that information from this article. At this point, it's nowhere in the article for reasons unfathomable. Moncrief 14:49, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
It seems to me that "homosexual" is the most neutral word. The word "gay" has a connotation of living a certain way, out and unashamed, and "lesbian" is a neutral word that applies to homosexual women. None of the words seem dated to me.
"Never been with a man" does seem like a humorous thing to say in context even if it is true. To some, practicing homosexuality ends one's virginity so the remark of hers about being a 55-year-old virgin also might not be meant to be factual. Cardiffman 15:45, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Regardless of the accuracy of your assessment of the use of those words (I don't agree with you), Suze Orman is indeed OUT AND UNASHAMED. She just came out in the New York Times, for crying out loud. I am very happy to take this to both Requests for Comment and the GLBT group here on Wikipedia if you're still unclear with the preference for "gay" or "lesbian" over "homosexual." Moncrief 15:50, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Agreed, "gay" or "lesbian" is prefered over "homosexual" per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (identity). Pretty clearcut. The text right now looks pretty good. Crumbsucker 16:18, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Agreed. The text as it stands now looks good. I think my efforts to foster discussion sparked the necessary dialog on the topic in order to form some sort of consensus. -- Mufka (user) (talk) (contribs) 16:53, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

I changed "bemoaned the fact that" to "regretted"; "bemoaned" is obviously pejorative, so I changed it to a more neutral word. --Andersonblog 19:16, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Good choice. Thanks. Moncrief 19:39, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] College Information

I am watching her talk to Tim Russert on CNBC where she is saying that she did not graduate from the University of Illinois, but rather couldn't pass the foreign language requirement and ended up graduating from a state school somewhere else.Kenallen 03:29, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Quality of Advice needs its own seperate section? And does anyone have a photo?

Is it just me, or does the quality of her advice seem like it needs its own separate section? I just finished reading a post she blogged for Yahoo! about student-loans, and really, I cannot find it yet but I am trying, I think she just cut and paste stuff out of a student loan pamphlet my university distributed. Its sitting around here someplace but everything, except maybe the wording, was the exact same. To call her a financial expert, financial advisor, or even a credible financial source when she administers advice that is so very common seems... well... not exactly right. Especially not for Wikipedia.

On that note, why is her coming out as lesbian (and by that I do not mean that she was hiding it really) a significant fact? Somehow, I just do not see her sexuality relevant to an article about her. I have objections to stating sexual preference at all as a notable fact in Wikipedia (after all, we do not mark every straight-persons article as "a straight person"), but other than that she wants tax advantages, the fact she is lesbian is not really relevant to the person that is most well known as Suze Orman.

And if you read the comments on her posts in that Yahoo! blog, many other people seem to agree with me. Can we use those pages as a citation, btw?Scryer_360 07:18, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Nobody marks a straight person as such because it is assumed. The only reason not to note her as a lesbian is if you are wanting to reinforce the general invisibility of gay people in our culture. To say that it is an irrelevant fact about Suze Orman would be the same as saying that your presumed heterosexuality is irrelevant about you which means that you would not mind if others believed you were gay, as that would be irrelevant by your logic. Obviously Suze Orman did not want people to believe she was straight so she came out and ommiting the fact would be the same as saying that she was straight, it would also be ignoring what she herself feels is relevant about herself. It is also common to note when people belong to other minorities, it is only when people feel squeamish or prejudiced towards a particular minority that there is a problem with it. It is certainly a fact of interest to other lesbian and gay people and I'm sure a good deal of straight ones as well. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.12.178.179 (talk)

[edit] factual error

At the heading of her article, it says that she was born in 1951. However, later on it says that she was born in 1959

[edit] WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 04:43, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Her girlfriends name is Katie

not K.T. 24.10.195.188 (talk) 05:10, 3 January 2008 (UTC)Vi

No, K.T. are her girlfriend's initials. They stand for Kathy Travis. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.166.154.240 (talk) 06:40, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] From Buttercup Bakery to Merrill Lynch?

I am not disputing this article but in three short years Suze Orman went from waitress to Account Executive to Vice President of Investments. More details, please..... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.141.123.223 (talk) 21:15, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

I'll see if I can find some sources. I do, however, remember her talking about it in an interview that aired a few months ago on CNBC. Collectonian (talk) 21:18, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

You are getting caught up in titles which is actually the point of them in the first place. Both mean the same thing. They mean she was a broker aka financial salesperson. They can be called anything these days from Financial Consultant, Financial Advisor, Financial Planner... Vice President titles mean almost nothing in the banking and financial services industry. The major banks and investment firms have thousands of VPs. It's just marketing to impress you, which is seems to have accomplished. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.68.75.241 (talk) 03:36, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Criticism Section

This really needs to be expanded, given Orman's dismal track record of lousy advice. 74.181.77.174 (talk) 18:36, 27 April 2008 (UTC)ME (April 2008)