Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/M.V.E.i.

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[edit] User:M.V.E.i.

Suspected sockpuppeteer

M.V.E.i. (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)

Suspected sockpuppets

No_Free_Nickname_Left (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)


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--Protagon (talk) 14:26, 22 December 2007 (UTC)


Evidence

This is (luckily) the first time I have felt the need to take measures as these, but I guess there is a first time for everyone...

Some two weeks ago (10 Dec 2007) I started adding some template tags on the page Russians since I found two sections were seriously flawed/and or biased, and I described it in detail on Talk:Russians. Shortly afterwards, I got into a dispute with User:No_Free_Nickname_Left (a dispute which is ongoing), and he has hitherto been refusing to deal with the matters constructively and responded in a rather hostile way; the dispute is here: Talk:Russians#The_section_.22Contribution_to_humanity.22_and_the_section_.22Culture.22_is_disputed. I will probably takes this to a RFC, if the matters are not solved. At first, I did not think much about it or User:No_Free_Nickname_Left, but after a while the red strange-sounding nickname User:No_Free_Nickname_Left got me thinking...but really, it can't be that obvious, could it?

Nevertheless, due to NFNL's continued obsessive edit war with me, I started yesterday to do some basic snooping (even though I don't particularly like to do so), and I believe I have spotted a true sockpuppet;

During the discussion on Talk:Russians, User:No_Free_Nickname_Left referred to a supposed previous discussion concerning the disputed contents, and he referred to 3 other users (in order): User:M.V.E.i., User:Fisenko and User:Miyokan, who he claimed had agreed with him before on the matters. I just decided to check on those users; Now, User:Fisenko and User:Miyokan are obviously Russian, but there does not seem to be any controversial with their accounts. But, with User:M.V.E.i., this is however quite the opposite; I found that he had got blocked from Wikipedia for a period of one year, and as far as I know, this is not done routinely.

Very well, I started to check on User:M.V.E.i. more deeply, and after reading his talk page (a very long and in many cases a really unpleasant read!) - look here: User_talk:M.V.E.i., I soon started to spot the similarities between User:M.V.E.i. and User:No_Free_Nickname_Left (a good idea is to read User_talk:M.V.E.i. from the bottom and up).

The similarities are the following;

  • Open hostility/abusive language: shouting, SHOUTING and SHOUTING, and generally quite hostile behavior, referring to others as "vandalz" and "vandalizm", refusal to adhere to Wikipedia rules:

MVEi, MVEi, MVEi, MVEi, NFNL, NFNL, NFNL, NFNL, and much more...

Examples (just some examples of many more):

As you read above I have had a long dispute with User:No_Free_Nickname_Left on this particular section, which can be read in full on Talk:Russians#The_section_.22Contribution_to_humanity.22_and_the_section_.22Culture.22_is_disputed.

According to the revision history for the article Russians, User:M.V.E.i. made numerous edits of the section "Contribution to humanity" adding (or readding ) for instance here) and perhaps (IMO quite likely) started and wrote the section himself (e.g. see this example and numerous edits of his directly after that; there are many more).

  • Quote similarity: and here's another quite interesting similarity: User:M.V.E.i. lists a quote of his own at the bottom of his user page (exactly): "I'm not gonna say it's gray only because you say it's black when i see it's white". During my talk with User:No_Free_Nickname_Left on Talk:Russians he said (exactly):

"I also dont think that if you'll say it ain't true it will make it not true." - not alone a perfect proof, but it certainly adds to the suspicion.

  • and finally, the date of MVEi's block and the start of NFNL's Wikipedia career:
    • User:M.V.E.i. blocked (blocked 13 October 2007, edit summary:(account creation blocked) with an expiry time of 1 year ‎ (Extending length due to block evasion))
    • User:No_Free_Nickname_Left (account created 31 October 2007)

All in all, my conclusion is that User:No_Free_Nickname_Left and User:M.V.E.i. are very likely the one and the same. I hope any admin(s) who reads this feel the urge and are able to do a thorough check and compare User:M.V.E.i. with User:No_Free_Nickname_Left, in order to establish if they also think it's likely that they are one and the same (which IMO is more than likely). If this is found to be true, I'd say it's suitable to block User:M.V.E.i. indefinitely, since the reason for his block is very, very serious (see the racist rants) but that's another discussion, I believe. Hope this helps the integrity of Wikipedia.

Signed, --Protagon (talk) 14:26, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

(Oh yes, forgot to mention that some days ago I was myself ironically "tried" as a sockpuppet by NFNL (which I openly admit I am) here: Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Protagon. Ah, what irony...) --Protagon (talk) 14:36, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

And, forgot this as well (ah, yet again, the irony...); in the case against me (under "Comments"), by NFNL, there are numerous spelling errors like small "i":s, "vandalizm" etc. Furthermore, NFNL seems stunningly aware of many Wikipedia terms, even though he is a "quite" fresh user... --Protagon (talk) 15:17, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Further new evidence:

  • Israel connection:

Here NFNL says ...i'm from Israel..., and User:M.V.E.i. said on his talk page : i live in Israel...so hhh unfortunatly i dont (see User_talk:M.V.E.i.#Hi_friend), and furthermore, User:M.V.E.i. was categorized as Category:Ashkenazi_Wikipedians (see Ashkenazi Jews). What's the likelihood that "two" users with the same behavior, connected to Russia AND Israel are different from eachother in person?

Damn it, I really hate this kind of snooping, but I feel it's necessary in this case. --Protagon (talk) 20:07, 22 December 2007 (UTC), signing off.

Comments

Its nothing but a dirty trick. You are simply a Russophob. You were explained you cant abuse tags, and i'm not the only one who said that to you. I refered you to Fisenko because he was the last one reverting you before me, while Mikoyan wrote the section.

Plus you are a sockpupet, so shud up. I have no connection to MVE, are all who edit the article MVE?? How would i know you are not?

Get a life. No Free Nickname Left (talk) 18:10, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Ah, the irony of it - NFNL continues to provide more evidence even here... abusive, bossy and bad language. Evident case IMO. --Protagon (talk) 18:23, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Conclusions

Asked for info from a blocking admin. — Rlevse • Talk • 00:11, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Checkuser was run privately, result was "confirmed/highly likely", and the behaviour patters match very nicely. Moreschi If you've written a quality article... 13:58, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Closing. Already blocked now. — Rlevse • Talk • 17:22, 28 December 2007 (UTC)