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[edit] Sanskrit transliteration

Calling for help from someone knowledgeable in Sanskrit to review the words in this article and make any necessary edits. I have kept the macrons in words (thus indicating long vowels) where I have found them in other sources. I am also unsure whether it is better to use namaskara or namaskar. If you are knowledgeable in both Sanskrit and IPA it would be great if exact pronunciation guides could be added in IPA or SAMPA. Oska 03:32, Sep 19, 2004 (UTC)

The final a in नमस्कार namaskāra (Sanskrit transliteration) is dropped in most New Indo-Aryan (NIA) languages, hence a pronunciation closer to /namaskaːr/. I'm afraid a phonetic transcription would confuse more than it would help, since the pronunciation differs quite much in different Indian language varieties. Since the transliteration is quite phonemic in itself I suggest that the transliterations will do, and interested could look up the transliteration method to see how it should/can be pronunced… I propose we use the 'common' transliterations in the text and on respective āsana's page we could add both the nāgarī as well as the transliteration.
Kess 14:13, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Whether this should be under Hinduism

i have placed this article under wikiproject hinduism.--Jayanthv86 18:23, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

(My intention is not to start a edit war or such, I just wish to know how others see this.) Short version: there are different opinions whether yoga should be accounted for in Hinduism or not. I would like to hear opinions if yoga articles should fall under Hinduism alone, both Hinduism and something other, or another cathegorisation altogether.
Kess 14:13, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

My opinion is that Yoga is a separate subject than any one religion. It's interesting that this article doesn't even mention Yoga, yet it is as a physical-spiritual Yoga technique that most people will encounter the Sun Salutation; I don't view it as a form of "sun worship" at all, so I think there needs to be some separation between the origins of the practice and its usage today. Maybe then we can remove the stub status. -- Ben

It is rather sad that Hinduism is considered a religion. 'Hindu' was the name given to the people residing near the river Sindu (at the time of Indus Valley Civilization) by the Greeks as they had difficulty pronoucing sindu. Those people(residing near Sindu)'s practices for physical, mental, and spiritual well-being are now considered Hinduism. Those people themselves used to call their practices as 'Sanatan Dharma' of which a poor translation would be Eternal Religion and the poorest would be 'Hinduism'. Sanatan means eternal but Dharma isn't a religion, it is righteous discharging of one's duties (e.g. For a fisherman, catching fish is his dharma but catching them for sports is not a dharma). What is righteous and what is not would often be questioned by people of other belief system and hence all these religions and fights among them. Since the saga of being mis-represented (for Hinduism) is in the root itself, it wouldn't and shouldn't matter for the branches (i.e. Yoga being a part of the practices )

[edit] Ambiguous reference for Surya Namaskar being a 20th century invention

The article claims that Surya Namaskar is a 20th century invention and cites a book by Raja of Aundh [1]. The book is an exposition of the Surya Namskars. At no point does the book's author claim invention of Surya Namaskars. This paragraph needs to be removed pending a more reliable reference.

Ikshatriya 17:36, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Incomplete views on the origins of Surya Namaskar

I agree with Ikshatriya, the origins of Surya Namaskar I believe are not stated properly. Please also refer to the article "Surya Namaskara Chapter" on Wiki itself for some of the origins of Surya Namaskar. I am collecting necessary references to correct this article.--Khammam 01:28, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reasons for the revert

The article was changed by i.p 216.208.254.118 without discussion. I request the person to please explain the reason for removing an important sentence without discussion. Till that time, I as the author of that section of the article will keep reverting to the older version. --Khammam 18:27, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

While I agree some discussion is needed on this before starting a stupid edit war, the sentence in question is a very big claim that needs a concrete citation from a reliable published source. If one cannot be provided, then I will be removing it. Taking possession of popularizing the Sun Salutation is something that needs sourcing. VanTucky 22:19, 18 June 2007 (UTC)


Please read the references provided in the article "Surya Namaskar Origins". There is a section on Raja of Aundh with published references. Further, if you look at the older version of this article, it states that Raja of Aundh actually invented it. To clear the air on it I added this sentence. If you want me to add the references given in the Origins article here, I will be happy to do so. Hope this is sufficient. If you still feel that this sentence needs to be restated in this article, I invite you to rewrite the sentence instead of totally removing it.--Khammam 03:34, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Please read WP:CITE which explains how to source things. The material you re-added is not supported by inline citations, so it can be removed as unsourced. Just referring to a book or teacher is not a verifiable reference. Also, books must meet the test of being a WP:RS. Just because someone publishes a book, it may or may not qualify as a WP:RS. For content disputes, one way to work them out is to begin by discussing what sources are being used, and if they are considered acceptable WP:RS or not. Currently the article is so poorly cited it is impossible to tell what the sources are, or what comes from which source.
The references for this article must appear here, by the way. Please do not refer me to a different article. And Wikipedia articles themselves are not usable as WP:RS, of course. Buddhipriya 08:54, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Linkspam

I have removed linkspam from the Surya Namaskara article because the site cites no reliable sources: [2]. Please review WP:EL for policy on external links. Wikipedia is not a directory of links, and sites must qualify as WP:RS for such links. Buddhipriya 08:19, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

The user has restored the spam links with no dicussion. I have removed them once again and call for compliance with WP:SPAM, WP:EL, and WP:RS. Material that is unsourced may be removed at any time. Buddhipriya 22:09, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Agreed that several of the links technically constitute linkspam per WP:El. VanTucky (talk) 22:13, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image removal

I removed the images in the gallery, as, without continuity, they are seemingly random, and orovide no instructional value. In addition, the upward dog presented by the Diamond whatevr Society, in addition to being promotional, and therefore spam, was just horrid. --69.177.190.140 01:15, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree about the gallery, but WP:MOS#Images requires that we have a lead image situated to the right if one is available. Feel free to choose another image, perhaps from the deleted gallery or Wikimedia Commons. But please make sure that we comply with the Manual of Style when possible. VanTucky Talk 01:19, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Nice choice. --69.177.190.140 01:26, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. VanTucky Talk 01:27, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] split table

I have split the table as it is misleading. Those mantras are pronounced at start of each cycle, not that they are pronounced during corresponding asanas. Now.nupe (talk) 06:02, 5 March 2008 (UTC)