Talk:Survivor Series (1991)

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[edit] THE Joe Louis Arena

I can't revert the edit by a bullheaded editor who doesn't know anything about grammar, so I am bringing it up here. It is grammatically wrong to just say "Joe Louis Arena" ("at Joe Jouis Arena" also sounds wonky compared to the CORRECT use "at the Joe Louis Arena"). The other editor has not given a single explanation for contiuing to change it. TJ Spyke 03:41, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Aren't you being just as bullheaded? I assume you're referring to the sentence "It took place on Thanksgiving Eve, 27 November 1991 at Joe Louis Arena in Detroit, Michigan." Can you please explain why you want to add "the" further? ~a (user • talk • contribs) 20:19, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

"At Joe Louis Arena" is correct. Just like "at Carnegie Hall" ("at *the* Carnegie Hall?"), "at Shea Stadium" or "at Disneyland". JohnInDC (talk) 22:03, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

No, it's not correct. I could point out other examples (besides this page) where not including "the" makes it sound idiotic: "at Astrodome", "at Izod Center". TJ Spyke 02:25, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Assuming that's true--that some use the definite article, and some don't--, it would make sense to see what is usually done for a particular stadium. For whatever reason, the old name of Rogers Centre was SkyDome. Not The SkyDome, but SkyDome. And everyone called it that. The Astrodome, as you correctly pointed out, was always THE Astrodome. In this case, as I pointed out in my very first edit, it's either "The Joe" or "Joe Louis Arena", but not "The Joe Louis Arena". Naming conventions are important and should be followed in cases of dispute. Stusutcliffe (talk) 02:33, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the support. I did a search for "Joe Louis Arena" on Wikipedia, and this was the only article I found that had any reference to "the Joe Louis Arena" [sic]. It's also the only article with an editor already having been warned by an admin resorting to name-calling because of someone else's "grammer". TJ, have a Coke and a smile next time you're at the Yankee Stadium. Stusutcliffe (talk) 02:14, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Coke tastes like crap, and the Yankees suck too. I will stick with Pepsi at the Blue Cross Arena. It's a matter of how it sounds. Generally with ".... Arena", you include "the". For something like ".... Hall" or "... Park", it sounds better not to include "the".

I am not too sure about that "generally" rule - Crisler Arena is another I'm familiar with and that's never prefaced with 'the' either. It's always "at Crisler Arena". Perhaps there is some subtle rule like, if the modifier is a company or sponsor then you supply the 'the' but if it's a person you don't; but in any case we don't have to establish the general rule to dispose of this specific example, which is that "Joe Louis Arena" is rarely, if ever, accompanied by the definite article. JohnInDC (talk) 04:48, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

"Gordie Howe will be at Joe Louis Arena to sign copies of his new book" [1] "Events at Joe Louis Arena" [2] . . . On the other hand, "Facts, figures and photos about the Joe Louis Arena" [3]. I see plenty of both. A majority of them seem to be without "the". ~a (user • talk • contribs) 05:50, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

I would bet (and parenthetically so since really the issue here is exhausted at this point) that the foregoing references to Joe Louis Arena that include the 'the' tend to be ones in which the actual physical arena space is discussed. The more I think about it the more I believe there is actually an obscure, subconscious rule for this that we apply in speech. Interesting. JohnInDC (talk) 12:58, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

You MUST have something better to do with your time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Manutdfan11 (talk • contribs) 19:41, 28 April 2008 (UTC)