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[edit] Living WW2 vets ?

Sorry folks, I know this is a bit off topic ... but out of interest , how many living WW2 vets are out there ? What date would you predict that the number of WW2 vets may have gone down to the numbers of WW1 vets that were living when this listing was first started. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.250.180.50 (talk) 00:37, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, without really thinking about it - World War II started in 1939, which was 25 years after World War I started. This list was started in 1999, which would make the logical starting point around 2024. But then you have to consider that World War II ended 27 years after World War I ended - which would push that year out to 2026. Then, you also have to consider the fact that a generation later, life expectancy has risen throughout the developed world (which comprised most of the soldiers to fight in World War II) - so the life expectancy of a World War II vet was likely to be longer than that of a World War I vet.
As well, you also have to take into account that there were many more soldiers that fought in World War II than in World War I. Given all that, there would probably not be much call to start up a similar list regarding World War II until well into the 2020s, but another thing to consider on that front is that as technology evolves, starting up a list - no matter how long, may become more and more likely given increasing ease of using tools like Wikipedia. So really, impossible to say, but there's certainly no hurry at the moment.
In a slightly related field, I have decided to put up a "Surviving veterans of the Spanish Civil War" page on Wikipedia. It may appear that a war fought from 1936-1938 may have a similarly long time to wait as World War II to warrant an article, the big difference is though, despite the Spanish Civil War having a deep and abiding effect on many field of Western thought, in terms of International involvement, that was limited to perhaps 50,000 foreigners who fought for the International Brigade / Republican side and also (According to the Times Online) (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article687933.ece), 60,000 Italian troops sent by Mussolini to fight with General Franco. At the very least, I think it is well time to start finding out exactly how many of these approximately 110,000 foreign troops are still around. There could well be less than a few hundred in the entire world. (Espeically given the fact many would also have fought, and died, in the subsequent conflict of World War II.202.139.104.226 (talk) 07:34, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Today also happens to be the 69th Anniversary of the end of the Spanish Civil War, which occurred on April 1st, 1939.jkm 07:44, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
I posted before that the USA reckoned they had 3.4 million alive as of 2006. http://www1.va.gov/opa/fact/amwars.asp That's the USA veteran's association page and they have update their projections and the population models that they use. September 2007 they reckon 2.8 million. By September 2010 1.85 million and by September 2022 115,000. I doubt if thorough checking would be performed until 2028 or so, as that is the point where an individual USA state may be down to less than 100 veterans or so. As a note it is the same population projection methodology which projects that there will be 1 WWI veteran globally still living in 2018. RichyBoy (talk) 10:05, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Numerous Germans "Hitler boys" joined regular forces at age 14 or 15 in 1945. Given increasing live expectancy, it shouldn´t be surprising if one of them makes it until ca. 2040. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.144.150.82 (talk) 21:13, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

I think you might mean the "Hitler Youth". Boys as young as 12 were drafted into the militia in 1945. RichyBoy (talk) 08:54, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

We could at least start a page listing the numbers of surviving WW2 vets estimated for each involved nation; the earlier the start, the more accurate the list will be because there will be more time to search.JeepAssembler (talk) 20:02, 5 April 2008 (UTC)JeepAssemblerJeepAssembler (talk) 20:02, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Surviving veterans of the Spanish Civil War (1936-1939)

Ok, I've finally done it, I've put up a rudimentary page relating to Surviving veterans of the Spanish Civil War. It can be located at Surviving veterans of the Spanish Civil War. I would encourage all the usual visitors to this page to do some research if you feel like it and identify and verify as many veterans - particularly of the International Brigade (Including the Soviets) and the Mussolini forces from Italy - to ensure this article gains some depth before the inevitable "well-meaning" busy-bodies attempt to delete it. I think the respect shown to this page is ample evidence that there is a place for this sort of entry on Wikipedia. There would be those who argue that the Spanish Civil War is not as important as World War I or World War II for that matter and that there is therefore no need for such an article. I completely disagree with that relativistic and simplistic assesment of the conflict. The literature and myths - and indeed long-term effects, of the Spanish Civil War have reverberated down the decades, and indeed had a strong influence on the conduct of World War II. As such, I would again urge all interested parties to take part in fleshing out this article so that it does not become an easy target of those who will inevitably try and argue for and perhaps achieve its deletion. I have saved a copy of the Wikipedia language version of the page in case of this to make for easy re-instatement.

Thanksjkm 08:58, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

It often seems that Spain is the archetype national example of conservative politics and society. In the 15th and 16th centuries it became an absolute monarchy with a stronger than usual reliance on the military, the land owners, and the church compared to other european nations. In the 20th century the Franco regime put a modern spin on this historical legacy; largely stabilizing the country (except for occasional Basque unrest) and possibly help stem the tide towards communism in europe.JeepAssembler (talk) 20:10, 5 April 2008 (UTC)JeepAssemblerJeepAssembler (talk) 20:10, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Giobatto and Satar

Can someone confirm Giobatto's and Satar's deaths? Czolgolz (talk) 15:39, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Both the Turkish and English articles were altered 4 hours ago, at 21:00 GMT. The English one was two minutes earlier, so they could have been getting their cues from here, since there's no citation. Also, the Turkish one has him born in 1895 which I assume is a Gregorian/Julian calendar issue. Turkey and Greece made the switch the latest of any countries. However the user who changed the English article is Turkish, according to their user page, and so they must have translated from Satar's entry on this months deaths page.

So yes, after all the searching for his 110th birthday, Kuenstler stands alone. The people who said that his national hero status would ensure prompt news of his death were quite right. It appears only to have happened a few hours ago. There must be relatives who don't know yet so I feel quite priviledged that I do. Don't know about Bisaro yet though. 80.2.17.47 (talk) 01:01, 3 April 2008 (UTC)Captain celery

I thought the calendar switch was a matter of days, not years. Czolgolz (talk) 11:27, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Yes, maybe I'm getting a bit confused. I remember the Mohammed el Mokri controversy. He was 116 in Egyptian years but 112 in our years. Of course he wasn't actually a supercentenarian at all but you see the point. But then that was Egypt 50 years ago, not modern Turkey. I'm grasping at straws to explain it really. 80.2.17.47 (talk) 14:58, 3 April 2008 (UTC)Captain celery

Correct me if I am wrong, but last month we lost the last WWI vereran that started his service in 1914, and with Satar's death the last from 1915. (Pershinboy)63.3.10.130 (talk) 04:56, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Morning All I think Henry Allingham joined up summer 1915 SRwiki (talk) 06:55, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Some sources seem to be under the impression that he signed up in 1914, but his mother told him not to. In 1915 he did so with the RNAS which had been formed just before the start of the war. This meant that he wasn't one of the poor bloody infantry. A wise decision, especially as he's the only founding member to see the 90th anniversary of the RAF on Tuesday. Since it was the Naval Air Service I wonder if aswell as the last airman of the war, he counts as a seaman like Choules and Stone? 80.2.17.47 (talk) 15:19, 3 April 2008 (UTC)Captain celery


Tribute national for Satar? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.197.54.171 (talk) 11:23, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Veterans who saw combat

Let me get this straight: the four remaining veterans who saw combat are Henry Allingham, Harry Patch, Delfino Borroni, and Francesco Domenico Chiarello. Correct? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.144.59.63 (talk) 20:54, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

I thought it was Patch, Borroni, Chiarello and Kunstler, with possible engagement involving Allingham and Choules. Arvonen also fought, but in the Finnish Civil War. Snowdog81 (talk) 21:38, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

I understand why you would think that, but I do not see how Claude Choules could have seen combat if he was only 17 when the war ended. Also, there was someone who edited on Surviving veterans of World War I the veterans who saw combat, but never gave us their names. For this reason, I assume that it was Allingham, Patch, Borroni, and Chiarello who saw combat. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.144.59.63 (talk) 01:04, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

It is difficult defining what a combat veteran should be but if you ask me it should be considered to be those that were deployed to a theatre of operation. Remeber, you don't have to hold a side-arm to be under-fire from the enemy. This includes:

Name Theatre Comments
Claude Choules War at Sea Served aboard HMS Revenge of the First Battle Squadron. Should be noted that the royal navy has a long tradition and is not the army; 15-year-olds could go to sea.
Franz Künstler Italian Front
Delfino Borroni Italian Front
Francesco Domenico Chiarello Italian Front
Henry Allingham War at Sea, Western Front Henry was deployed in operations for the battle of jutland, and was later posted for operations on the western front
Harry Patch Western Front

RichyBoy (talk) 13:53, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, Franz Künstler definitely saw combat. He was drafted on February 06, 1918 (it was possible for all young Austro-Hungarian men who were at least 17 on January 01, 1918 to be drafted). After six weeks of training he joined the 5th Hungarian Artillery Regiment and fought at the Italian front near the river Piave until November 1918. So it was hardly eight month of real service.
http://www.networld.at/index.html?/articles/0802/10/194078.shtml (article in German)

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.60.238.203 (talk) 23:16, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

It would also be interesting to make a list of those who were drafted like Patch, and those that volunteered like Buckles and Babcock and in the case of choules, volunteered and saw action. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.244.188.174 (talk) 05:14, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Out of interest I've paid for a copy of the service records of Claude Choules and Henry Allingham from the national archive. If anyone wants a copy please drop me a email. The handwriting is quite tough to read but there is a good deal of extra information which can be annotated to their pages. Allingham is on roll ADM 188/576 and Choules is on ADM 188/767, these aren't the medal role they are the actual service records. Choules joined up on the 10th October 1916 and was transfered to HMS Revenge 20th October 1917 where he stayed until 14th November 1920, for the record. Looks like the training captain paid £25 for him, it wasn't uncommon for people leaving school but weren't old enough to go to sea to either have their family pay for their place or have their place paid for him by a training vessel captain. They do have his engagement date wrong though (1914!) although it's quite clear elsewhere that it was 10/10/16. RichyBoy (talk) 21:51, 6 April 2008 (UTC) Elsewhere on the service record that is. RichyBoy (talk) 23:28, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Morning All if anyone wants to read up about HMS revenge (or pretty much any battleship thats ever floated) heres a good link: http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/revenge.htm SRwiki (talk) 07:43, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The new format

I like it, it is a lot easier to read as a whole. Czolgolz (talk) 02:03, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

I like the new format also. However, I would put the Era vets before the ones with no proof. (PershinBoy)63.3.10.1 (talk) 03:11, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Glad you guys like it. I moved the unverified veterans up to keep the WWI veterans (verified or not) together. If people preferred it the other way then it can be easily changed. 86.153.221.46 (talk) 10:55, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Would it be possible to include the national flags in the Nationality column as well as the Residence column? They way it looks at the moment implies that Australia has three veterans and the USA two. Mithrandir1967 (talk) 13:42, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

I was going to do that, but one is Hungary German. I don't know what would be right to use for that one, so I chose not to change that column. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.153.221.46 (talk) 16:50, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

In which case I would remove the flag from the first column as it is likely to confuse. Mithrandir1967 (talk) 21:11, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Personally I prefer the 'Veterans by country of service' format, as is in the died in 2008 section. I'm quite interested to see when the last vet from each country of service passes. For me particularly - Australia. 26 April 2008. Mic (South Korea).—Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.247.95.156 (talk • contribs)

[edit] Why So Many British?

It is a real curiousity as to why half of the known surviving World War I veterans were in the United Kingdom's services. While it is really theoretically statistically impossible to answer this question when the total numbers are so low (my college textbook for Design Of Experiments class has Analysis of Variance tables which state that the variance in any set of statistical data gets to great to make really accurate conclusions about the data once the total number of data points falls below about 30); it is nonetheless fun to speculate on the reason why. With such high variance potential at such low numbers there is not much to prevent a possibility that all of the twelve known survivors could have fought for a single nation. It is important to realize that many of the nations involved in WW1 had forced conscription and achieved full mobilization in 1914 or '15; this was certainly the case for France and Germany. I recall reading in a military history magazine that the U.K. didn't introduce conscription until 1916 though; so maybe that has something to do with why there are more Brits than european continentals. Also, once the U.K. introduced conscription it went into it full steam, drafting any male fit for service over age 18. By contrast, when the U.S.A. entered the war it only first set the draft ages as 21 to 30; only in the middle of 1918 did it expand it's draft pool down to age 18; thus; there were probably more men born in 1898, '99, and 1900 in the British services than the American; giving the U.K. an advantage over the U.S.A. as well.JeepAssembler (talk) 21:19, 13 April 2008 (UTC)JeepAssemblerJeepAssembler (talk) 21:19, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

The respective populations of USA and UK around the time of WW1 were 100 million (1915) and about 40 million (1911). This may give some of the "advantage" back to the USA. J271 (talk) 01:31, 14 April 2008 (UTC)J271

Keep in mind a lot more British were enlisted than those from America. I've also noticed over the prior three years, that one nationality will have almost double the number in living veterans, and then they take a big hit. I hope the British don't take a big hit like the U.S. did last year (they lost 6 in a little over 60 days). I'm afraid by years end, will be lucky to have 6 total remaining WWI veterans. (PershinBoy)162.114.40.32 (talk)

Indeed, which such a large percentage of the UK populace going to war you are far more likely to be a WWI veteran to begin with. RichyBoy (talk) 18:50, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Although yes, a lot of people were sent off to war, don't forget about those in the UK who had to stay behind for various reasons, such as being in reserved occupations. A lot of it is probably just due to chance. Millions went off to war, and now we have just 12 remaining. Of course, the most likely result would have been that the country with the most surviving veterans would have the most, but when you pick just 12 out of all those people, it's heavily weighted on chance. Also, I believe Western European countries and the USA had (and have) higher standards of living, and higher life expectancies, so it would have been less likely for somewhere like Turkey to have the majority of the veterans. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.153.221.46 (talk) 01:48, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

The U.K.'s population (including Ireland) was 45 million in 1914; it mobilized either 5.5 or 5.6 million of it's own citizens (I have seen both numbers listed). By contrast, the U.S.A. mobilized 4,355,000 by Nov.11th,1918 (the V.A. official number of 4,735,000 includes some who enlisted immediately after the war). But 750,000 Brits died vs. only 116,000 Yanks; leaving November 11th survival numbers of 4.8 mil U.K. and 4.2 mil U.S.A.. My point was that it is interesting how different the numbers are now, especially when you consider that the "Tommies were probably on average a bit older than the "Doughboys" due to America's much later entry into the war. Of course, it is ultimately only a matter of chance at this extremely late time.JeepAssembler (talk) 17:41, 16 April 2008 (UTC)JeepAssemblerJeepAssembler (talk) 17:41, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Buckles is coming to Kansas City

"Frank Woodruff Buckles, last known surviving American World War I veteran, will travel to Kansas City as a guest of the National World War I Museum and will be honored at the Memorial Day Ceremony on Monday, May 26."

I got this in an e-mail from my boss, and I can't independently confirm it. Czolgolz (talk) 04:23, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

http://www.kansascity.com/115/story/549876.html and http://www.wickedlocal.com/burlington/news/lifestyle/columnists/x180607041 and also related: http://www.salem-news.com/articles/april082008/ww1_vet_4-8-08.php RichyBoy (talk) 09:17, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

The Liberty Memorial website has now posted a Memorial Day weekend schedule that references Mr. Buckles' anticipated visit to Kansas City. Click on the PDF link for the weekend Events Calendar. Here is the link: http://www.libertymemorialmuseum.org/ 75.72.83.84 (talk) 03:47, 17 May 2008 (UTC) 75.72.83.84 (talk) 00:47, 18 May 2008 (UTC)Ryan M

[edit] Archive volume 5

We were overdue an archival so I've done that for us. As usual, if you think something should become a current discussion point again please copy and paste it out of the archive. RichyBoy (talk) 11:15, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Changes

What happen to the list of how many WWI vets died in each year? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.187.151.34 (talk) 19:12, 25 April 2008 (UTC) I found it, it was better when the years where not hidden. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.187.151.34 (talk) 19:29, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Künstler Franz

Künstler, Franz can he be the last veteran ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.28.218.4 (talk) 19:19, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

He's the last Central Powers veteran and the last veteran of Austria Hungary. Is that what you meant? Czolgolz (talk) 20:24, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Künstler Franz can he be the last veteran in the world? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.28.218.4 (talk) 20:59, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it is possible. I believe he is still working part-time, so he is fit enough for that. The odds are that it will be someone british. (PershinBoy)63.3.10.2 (talk) 22:28, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

State funeral for Künstler, Franz when will die because he is the last Central Powers veteran and the last veteran of Austria Hungary? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.28.218.4 (talk) 19:48, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

No - allied power veterans get pomp and ceremony as it is a celebration of the triumph of all that is good and for justice, amongst others. That doesn't mean the individual is a bad person and far from it normally, but the regime they represented is bad (or evil in the instance of WWII). He will get press attention though as it is the passing of an era nevertheless, good bad or indifferent. RichyBoy (talk) 20:21, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Evil? Bad? We are talking about WW1, not WW2! WW1 was NOT a case of shining white knights against the axis of evil, as some would like us to believe... (ChrisW) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.131.243.2 (talk) 04:53, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

I associated evil with WWII and not WWI. We all know there are lots of complicated reasons and interplay regarding WWI, but two reasons that I pick out for why one regime was worse than the other is that Germany had a thirst for militarism with left many feeling threatened and many opposed the subjucation of the slavics by Austro-Hungary (which is symptomatic of the wholescale change of landed gentry wealth dissapearing to the might of industrialisation across the whole of Europe). RichyBoy (talk) 13:31, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

  • In any event, it's a moot point. It's not widely known in Germany that Kunstler exists, and they certainly didn't hold a state funeral for the last veteran of the Reichsheer.  RGTraynor  14:13, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

I wish that they would consider it. A state funeral for Künstler for historical reasons. In the U.S. the last Confederate was given a large funeral. There is a differance, but hopfully you can see my point. WWI was a war waiting to happen, for many reasons, but very few good reasons. It shouldn't have happened in the first place. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.247.21.167 (talk) 05:15, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Time heals all wounds. I'm sure the last veteran of Nazi Germany will be given a state funeral in 2035 or whenever. Czolgolz (talk) 14:38, 6

May 2008 (UTC)

Absolute rubbish! The war was evil and a pointless loss of life. it maywell have been inevitable but noone ever mentions the genocides of the first world war! My great grandads who died only 10-15 years ago fought and watched men be killed around them in the middle east and western front and they could never forgive or forgot what they saw because it was evil. there isn't a set figure of 6 million to mark the definision of genocide/evil! Funkdaddymac (talk) 10:28, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Most wars are pointless. All wars are evil!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.247.21.167 (talk) 11:17, 8 May 2008 (UTC)


Künstler, Franz  Knows that he is the last veteran of Central Powers ?

(Sorry for the orthography mistakes, I am French) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.15.21.223 (talk) 18:26, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

In Hungary there was no report about him. It's sad, because he is a German Hungarian. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Robert Gerbicz (talk • contribs) 14:49, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps he knows. He knows that he is the last veteran of the austrian-hungarian empire. If wrote him al letter and under others things I worte in this letter that the last known veteran of a german army died. This letter was short befor his exident in hungary (vacation). Know he had his second operation and let as hope he will recover.
--Statistician (talk) 10:57, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Someone has listed him as dead...anyone have a reference? Czolgolz (talk) 14:27, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

I popped over to the German Wikipedia, which likewise lists him as having died today, and provided a German-language link. No doubt there's a German-speaker or three around who can decipher it, but it looks legit to me. Well ... and the book is finally closed on the Austro-Hungarian Empire and the Central Powers.  RGTraynor  14:56, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Gladys Powers

109 years —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.15.21.223 (talk) 08:06, 10 May 2008 (UTC) It's interesting, that at the moment all veterans age's are odd: 107,109,111 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Robert Gerbicz (talk • contribs) 14:44, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Wouldn't it be something if she ended up being the last one!!!!!!

Here is a link to a report of her 109th birthday. http://www.canada.com/abbotsfordtimes/news/story.html?id=323a799a-87f6-445c-8076-a639f4e7f53c 86.139.186.178 (talk) 21:31, 14 May 2008 (UTC)Bruce

[edit] "Jihadists" for the Ottoman Empire?

I am wondering if there is any historical record of non-Ottoman muslims fighting for the Ottoman Empire during World War 1. Given the recent history of foreign fighters against U.S.A. troops in Iraq and U.S.S.R. troops in Afghanistan during the 1980's as well as traditional Islamic beliefs about fighting any "infidels" invading muslim nations going back at least to the time of the Crusades it seems logical to assume that men from parts of the Muslim world not under Ottoman jurisdiction in 1914 or '15 would have fought to defend the O.E.; especially during the Gallipoli Peninsula campaign. I am aware of the rising tensions between Arabs and Turks at that time, beginning with the Young Turk revolt in 1908 (which caused an exodus of Lebanese to the U.S.A., Canada, and Brazil) and of the fact that many Iraqi and Syrian Arabs at first supported the British against the Ottomans (at least until the British and French made clear there colonial ambitions and support of a Jewish homeland in the middle east). Maybe there were no Arabic foreign fighters for the Ottomans but perhaps there were Iranians or others (especially considering the genocide against Armenians; the traitional enemy of the Azerbaijanies who are cousins of Iranians). How about foreign jihadists for Turkey during the 1918-1923 war? By that time there was a revolt against British rule in Iraq. I know that records of foreigners are likely incomplete (the discussion on Spanih Civil War foreign vets is an example); but it would be interesting to know if there is any solid evidence.JeepAssembler (talk) 20:59, 18 May 2008 (UTC)JeepAssemblerJeepAssembler (talk) 20:59, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

At this late date, I doubt it. Even so, a verifiable record would be non existant. This isn't negative talk, just realistic. The youngest is 107. However, your smart to bring up subjects like this. It's wise to check out. (PershinBoy)209.244.188.174 (talk) 00:07, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Aside from the lack of present-day mass media and swift transportation, and the fact that the Ottomans were generally perceived by Muslim contemporaries as irredeemably corrupt, this comes down to a basic: no reliable sources. Demographically, there'd probably be someone still alive out there, but with no verifiable evidence, it's a moot point.  RGTraynor  14:54, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Looking at it the other way round as it where, the British campaign relied heavily on Arab support, so there could still be some-one from that largely irregular army still around, but as other contributors have noted without evidence it is a moot point. SRwiki (talk) 07:08, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lists of known World War I veterans' deaths by year

The links for pages for 2007 and 2008 have somehow become detached. Does anyone know how to fix them? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.140.103.252 (talk) 21:20, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Done! DerbyCountyinNZ (talk) 23:48, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Last Ukrainian Veteran

On the page listing the last known surviving WW1 vets for each country was "Tony Skabar" (although that name doesn't sound very Ukrainian to me) for the Ukraine on December 17th, 2005. I am wondering why he is not therefore on the Year 2005 Death List? Is his claim unverified? Obviously the current Ukrainian listed is not verified.66.213.36.2 (talk) 20:17, 24 May 2008 (UTC)JeepAssembler66.213.36.2 (talk) 20:17, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Last Netherlands? Veteran

On the page for last surviving veteran of WW1 for each country was Bert van Sloten (a very Dutch sounding name) for The Netherlands. I thought Holland stayed neutral in WW1 (and wanted to in WW2 but the Wehrmacht invaded anyway; the Dutch government immediately surrendered). Whom did Mr. van Sloten fight for? Was it Germany? Considering the ethno-linguistic similarities between Dutchmen and Germans and the fact that the Kaiser fled to The Netherlands after abdicating makes me think that most people in Holland sympathized with Germany. Were there foreign volunteers from neutral countries like Holland in The Central Powers? Please let me know if there is any information on this subject; thank you.66.213.36.2 (talk) 20:31, 24 May 2008 (UTC)JeepAssembler66.213.36.2 (talk) 20:31, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

According to this article http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/2005/sep/20/obituaries.readersobituaries , he fought for Germany during the first world war and England in the second. Czolgolz (talk) 22:06, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Henry Allingham - 112

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7439117.stm The article is nothing special, straight out of wiki, but the video interview is rather good - Henry is extremely lucid and talking rapidly and in fact looks/sounds in rather fine form. Happy birthday! —Preceding unsigned comment added by RichyBoy (talk • contribs) 09:28, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


Frank Buckles visited The Kansas WWI memorial last sunday. If someone could please post the site, I think it would be of interest. (PershinBoy)209.244.188.174 (talk) 04:15, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Another claim: Stanley Stair

According to the Jamaica Observer, Stanley Stair (age 107 in 2007) served in the British West India Regiment during World War I. There is also some evidence of his service in the UK National Archives - see Your Archives page. However I can't find any mainstream media coverage. Sam Blacketer (talk) 20:06, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Looks promising to me. there is also this: http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/html/20040802T010000-0500_63848_OBS_HANOVER_HONOURS_ITS_OWN.asp from 2004 thoughts anyone? SRwiki (talk) 08:36, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Born October 2008, died May 3rd this year is all i've managed to find!Webbmyster (talk) 11:51, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Delfino Borroni and Francesco Domenico Chiarello

Delfino Borroni and Francesco Domenico Chiarello Are popular in Italy? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.28.218.225 (talk) 09:41, 14 June 2008 (UTC)