Talk:Surrealist automatism

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Is redirecting from automatic mathematics rather than a separate article to here the best way to go? I am open to arguments... --Daniel C. Boyer 20:17, 16 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Contents 1 Merge with surautomatism 2 Computer(?) 3 non-idiomatic improvisation and free jazz 4 Automatic mathematics?

[edit] Merge with surautomatism

I don't see any reason for this, as the two are, or are alleged to be, different subjects. What is the basis for this? --Daniel C. Boyer 20:48, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Upon closer reading, I see the distinction, and will remove the request. --sparkit (talk) 00:20, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Computer(?)

• The computer, just like the typewriter, can be used to produce automatic writing and automatic poetry. The surrealist practice of automatic drawing, originally performed with pencil or pen and paper, has also been adapted to mouse and monitor, and other automatic methods have also been either adapted from non-digital media, or invented specifically for the computer. For instance, filters have been automatically run in some bitmap editor programs such as Photoshop and The GIMP. Computer-controlled brushes have been used to "simulate" automatism.

The above appears to be original research or theorizing as the external link discusses algorithmic art. Hyacinth 20:19, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Algorithmic art, complete with the term, has been around since the early 1980s at the latest. I added an article on it yesterday. surrealist-geek 04:55, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] non-idiomatic improvisation and free jazz

these are different things. non-idiomatic improvisation equates with Derek Bailey's concept of free improvisation. jazz is already an idiom, therefore free jazz is a form of idiomatic improvisation. check the bailey and free improv pages in wikepedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.101.154.113 (talk) 01:39, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Automatic mathematics?

I removed the following during my recent cleanup of the article:

Some surrealists write automatic mathematics or equations. Some surrealists understand automatism as relating to the internalization of skills and perceptual feedback. There are vast tracts of surrealist mathematics written in the form of competent philosophy that define the surrealist process and results, a contemporary form of analytic geometry applied to the fine arts and related subjects.

This is written in a very speculative manner and is unreferenced, to boot. Considering the tone of its assertions, it should have some heavy-duty references. ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 04:19, 1 March 2008 (UTC)