Talk:Supermax

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This page is pretty badly written, conveys little factual information and is US-centric. --WibblyLeMoende 02:08, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

Supermax prisons ARE a US-centric matter. --non-registered user, 19/04/07

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[edit] Souza-Baranowski in MA

AFAIK Souza-Baranowski is in fact a supermax; I do know it's the most secure facility in Massachusetts, the James Geoghan fiasco notwithstanding. There's actually two prisons in Shirley -- Souza-Baranowski is the more secure, while I believe MCI Shirley is considered a medium-security prison. Haikupoet 04:32, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

This issue is over a year old with no defense for inclusion of SBCC on the supermax list. According to the Commonwealth of Massachusetts Department of Corrections (see www.mass.gov/doc) Souza-Baranowski is a level six (highest in the Commonwealth) maximum security facility. It is indeed located within MCI-Shirley, and is considered to be a seperate facility. It likely does not conform to the standards of federal supermax prisons, and at any rate, since the Commonwealth doesn't have a "supermax" designation, it doesn't seem appropriate to keep on this list. I have removed it. 146.243.4.157 21:46, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Diversity

Shouldnt this be a diversity page ? There is at least a Rock Band called "Supermax" which played from 1977 at least until 2002.

Official Supermax Homepage 195.71.97.193 10:12, 13 March 2006 (UTC) flo@rfc822.org

If you want a page on the rock band Supermax, start one Lurker 11:10, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
I just reverted an edit by an IP-address user on the following basis: it's not at all clear (to me anyway) what is meant by registering the brand, and in any case there are (per Google) several other organisations using the name Supermax, so the mere existence of the band as a user of the name is not particularly significant in the context of the article on prisons. However, as Lurker says above, if anyone wants to start an article on Supermax (band) that would be great and of course we could disambiguate. Barnabypage 18:13, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Extreme POV edits

I went ahead and removed a paragraph from the introduction. First, it was incredibly POV and needed to be reworked massively. Second, another paragraph gave essentially all of the same information that was in the paragraph I deleted (the second-to-last paragraph of the intro) and it's much better. This information can be in the article, but it needs to be NPOV. --Deville (Talk) 03:22, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edits on May 5 2006

In comments, I meant to add that my edit of 05:28, 5 May 2006 also restored a paragraph that was deleted by User Greif528; cf. diff. Sorry about the error. thx, Jim Butler 05:35, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion Point June 8 2006

Can we please stop referring to Moussaoui as "the 20th hijacker"? It is now widely known that he was not here as part of the 9/11 operation, although he was certainly here to train for another, still undiscovered/undisclosed operation. The 20th hijacker was turned away at Orlando Int'l Airport in August, 2001 by a US Customs agent while Mohammed Atta waited in the terminal area for him to arrive. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 129.42.208.182 (talk • contribs) .

While true, it does remain a functional short-hand on how to describe him. I will add to the description to clarify. - RoyBoy 800 05:36, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] John Allen Muhammad

There is a problem with this article. Either Muhammad needs to be removed, or the Sussex I State Prison in Virginia needs to be added. That is where death row is in Virginia, and it is also where the inmate locator for the Virginia prison system indicates he is.

I am not certain whether or not Sussex I is a supermax facility, so I'm not making the edit myself. Erechtheus 06:04, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

I rethought what I was saying and decided the better policy would be to remove Muhammad. If someone knows Sussex I to be a supermax facility, they can add both the prison and Muhammad back to the article. Erechtheus 06:07, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
This press release by the Virginia Department of Corrections makes it pretty clear Sussex I is not a supermax facility. Erechtheus 23:17, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Christopher "Rizler" William Smith "Minnesota spam king"

While I do hate spam, I gotta say I don't think this guy fits in with the others. Can anyone confirm he's in a supermax? --mitrebox 04:18, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

I can offer this. Erechtheus 23:18, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rephrase

"Supermax and Special Housing United (SHU) prisons are somewhat controversial in some quarters, as some claim..."? (how?,which?, and who?)

Crocodilicus 03:39, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Supermax? Isn't that a US term?

I think some sections of this page should be moved to Prisons in the United States and the article renamed to "Maximum security prisons", as "Supermax" is an incorrect nomenclature. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by TempestSA (talk • contribs) 00:26, 6 December 2006 (UTC).

Agreed. This article is totally from an American view point. [[User:]] 11:42, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

agreed, supermax should be mentioned on the us prisons article —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.134.58.194 (talk) 02:27, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] David Berkowitz

David Berkowitz is at Attica Prison in New York, which is not a Supermax prison, or at least is not listed as such in this article. This conflicting information should be corrected.

[edit] ADMAX purpose and human rights

Right after the paragraph about the inhumane confines of supermax facilities, we say that ADMAX is "a Supermax prison intended to fulfill such a role."

This makes it sound like ADMAX was built with torture in mind. This surely is not the case. The writer probably meant it was built to assuage human rights concerns. I don't know about ADMAX's origins, so I'm not going to correct it. MatthewBurton (talk) 20:03, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

I was puzzled by the same odd phrasing, but took the time to investigate the article history. It seems to be a result of this edit, which removed the description of the role referred to in the next sentence. Careless edits seem to sometimes linger for a long time? Someone better than me may want to fix this some day. --Lasse Hillerøe Petersen (talk) 06:57, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] SHU

SHU (Special Housing Units) is another term for solitary confinement. It isn't a supermax prison. SHU should redirect to the Solitary confinement page, not this supermax page. What do others think?--Davidwiz (talk) 17:11, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikiproject Prisons

If anyone is interested, I have proposed a new Wikiproject concerning prisons here.--Cdogsimmons (talk) 22:46, 13 June 2008 (UTC)