Talk:Super Bowl XLI/Archive 1

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Teams

Is it now appropriate to edit the article about the teams playing in Super Bowl XLI? (Indianapolis Colts vs. Chicago Bears)?

I'm assuming that what is displayed now is a joke. "Winning team = Bears" "Losing team = Colts"

Kickoff time

This article should include, preferably in the fact box, a listing of the anticipated time of kickoff, if known. I see the articles shows that game coverage starts at 6:25... but after you announce the teams, the starting players, the coaches, the honorary captains, the game officials, the coin toss officials, the water boys, etc. etc... does anyone know what time they actually expect to kick off?!! 12.147.193.6 18:15, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree. I am confused on kick-off time as well. Can someone clarify? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.111.84.3 (talk • contribs)

The advertised start time by the TV and the NFL is 6:00. Then, following all the ceremonial wathavya, the actual kickoff is 6:25 p.m.—Twigboy 21:52, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Can this be added? I second 12.147.193.6's desire to see it in the fact box, in addition to mentioning it in the summary. I'm sure many people, like myself, will be checking this page today to see what time it starts. Morganiq 19:44, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
I went ahead and added this. Forgot that I could edit if logged in. Morganiq 20:48, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Cirque?

Cirque Du Soleil is listed as a reported pregame entertainment, but the only source is a ticket website and absent from CDS and NFL websites. It is also unclear, if this is true, if CDS would be the in-stadium pregame show, or if they are performing around the week-long events that are tied into the Super Bowl. I have not been able to find any other reputable source on this. —Twigboy 05:37, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

And I stand corrected [1]. Since this is an official source, I will replace the ticket website reference with the NFL reference. —Twigboy 02:25, 12 January 2007 (UTC)


THE TEAMS ARE UNDETERMINED AS OF YET

I don't know if anyone noticed but it says New England is playing New Orleans, last I checked they still had to play the NFC and AFC Championship games before they dtermined who the teams playing are.

Someone has been vandilizing the page.--CWY2190 22:53, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Well it's settled now, and the Patriots aren't going 22:22, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Semi protect

Now!!! even for just now!!!DPM 03:27, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Um.. Can somebody remove the 'Nigga Bowl XLI lmbo ' from the trivia section...


Perhaps they should refer it as "Super Bowl I-65" in the trivia section. Just my .02 Kimmy78 04:15, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

  • Well it would probably be the "I-65 Bowl". Although I-65 just goes to Gary, but whatever. Find a news story calling it that and we can use it in the Wikipedia article. --W.marsh 04:19, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Acutally Superbowl 41 is good for 2 reasons:

it's the 41st superbowl

US 41 runs along the indiana/illinois state line, and it goes from the southwest corner of indiana all the way to the north side of chicago 12.145.184.6 20:18, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Trivia

This is the first time that the Colts have made the Super Bowl since winning it in 1970, 37 years ago.

This is the first time in 21 years that the Chicago Bears have made the Super Bowl. They last made it in 1985, when they won it after a near perfect season (ironically losing to the Miami Dolphins, the only team to achieve a perfect season).

African American Coaches

Why is this such a big deal? Most football teams are very mixed, and it almost seems condescneding to make race and issue for the coach of a football team. There aren't many black kickers, so should we celebrate if a black kicker makes it to the Super Bowl? I think America should get past making race an issue.


Race is NOT an issue. However, they are being acknowledged as being the first African American coaches. After this game, I'll expect the irrelevance of whether the next Super Bowl will have an African American coach again. KyuuA4 00:10, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Not the right time to bring up this debate. If it's a true fact, then it should be sourced and referenced. If not, then leave it alone. King Zeal 13:23, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually, BET has a little discussion going on the importance of African American coaches getting to the SB. Here's the link: [2]

And here's one from ESPN about the history of black coaches in the NBA and MLB championships. [3]

While it sucks that my Patriots lost to Indy of all teams, I have big respect for black people who make it big, being of color myself. Posse out!--Aaronhumes 15:02, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

agreed. Race will no longer be an issue only when people stop making an issue out of race. What's next? The Superbowl: So easy even a caveman can do it!? The liberal left in this country has all of us divided into neat little hypenated cliques, so that they have that warm and fuzzy feeling and a guilt free conscience (mostly for opposing the end of slavery,:: which they did, and segregated schools, which they did) when a non-supressed group gets good press.
Go Colts! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.145.184.6 (talk) 20:22, 22 January 2007 (UTC).

I think this is enough to mention in a trivia section, but not the introduction. I don't think the word "both" should be italicized as though it's the tremendous thing that will bring peace and harmony to American society or something. DavidMann 22:46, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm not buyin' that it'll stop being an issue when people stop talking about it. That's what people do with gay guys - stop talking about it, but the prejudice remains. Fact is, football is a sport which has been dominated by white owners, white coaches and white quarterbacks. Blacks were only allowed to be big, stereotypical linemen. Then they were acknowledged for athletic prowess, but only now, finally, do we start to see the sport acknowledge by HIRING practices, that black men can THINK, lead, plan, etc. I'm not saying I agreed with the prejudicial positions, but it IS a landmark to have this opportunity for success allowed to a black man. NOT recognizing it would be artificial. Nice job on the rephrasing, btw, about how it guarantees that a black coach will win the SB.:) --JT 04:28, 24 January 2007 (UTC)


Bottom line. Both Dungy and Smith are being regarded as "Coaches". Not Black coaches. Not African-American coaches. The best aspect of sport is the ability to look beyond race - as accolade is more important. KyuuA4 01:06, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Beyonce

Who keeps adding Beyonce to the halftime performers? I've done several Google searches and found nothing. Plus, she isn't mentioned in any commercials. Could a source be provided? -- Scorpion 16:46, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

  • I have NOT been the one trying to put it back in, but I did notice this ONE website that has it listed.
http://hollisterfreelance.com/lifestyles/contentview.asp?c=205224&siteID=33
5. Prince (or the artist formerly known as the artist formerly known as Prince) is the half-time entertainment. Now I don't really have anything against Prince, but let's face some facts. He's a skinny little guy who wears more makeup than I do. A wardrobe malfunction from Prince isn't going to be nearly as exciting as one from Janet Jackson. On the other hand, Beyonce is going to be Prince's special guest for the half-time entertainment. I don't think Beyonce is the type to flash America her stars, but I'm positive that the beer drinking, nacho-scarfing men at your Super Bowl party will sit closer to the TV during half-time just in case.
The only problem is, it's very vague, and isn't supported anywhere else. It could be that whoever wrote that got it off of this very Wikipedia page.
This news article states that Shaq is hosting a Super Bowl party on Feb 1, and that Beyonce is expected to be there, leading to the assumption that she will actually be in Miami for the weekend, and thus there's a realistic chance that she would be at the game. Still not enough to be considered a clear source. http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/sfl-spsupertalk01feb01,0,6145590.story?coll=sfla-sports-headlines Doctorindy 22:10, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Web site compromised

The Dolphin Stadium website has been reported as compromised, with a keylogger installed on the victims' computers. http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=15&tag=nl.e589 http://www.websense.com/securitylabs/alerts/alert.php?AlertID=733

209.184.36.173 21:15, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Odds

I remember reading that the odds were either 7 or 6.5 to the Colts, never higher than seven. I read it off that source right next to the odds number on the article. --ROASTYTOAST 04:23, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

  • Fixed --W.marsh 17:24, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Protection

We kept the SB article unprotected for the most part last year, and it worked out okay. I assumed we'd be doing that again this year, and only semi-protecting if it gets out of hand, most likely right after the game ends (which is when I've seen the surge worst on articles like 2006 World Series). I can practically guarantee there will be multiple admins sitting on this article during the game. --W.marsh 16:15, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

As of now, 17:52, 4 February 2007 (UTC), the article is currently under semiprotection.[4] I do not think it is wise, much like the TFA and other potential high-traffic articles, to have it under semi-protection, or even full protection when the game is underway. Of course, after the game is a different story. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 17:52, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
I also question the reason why it was semiprotected under the comment, "Keeping this page protected until the Super Bowl has passed and the vandals have left."[5] WP:SPP#When not to use semi-protection clearly states that semi-protection should not be used, "As a preemptive measure against vandalism before any vandalism has occurred." In my opinion, there was not enough IP anon vandalism before the smeiprotection to warrant it.[6] Zzyzx11 (Talk) 18:14, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
I won't rule out semi-protecting briefly if vandalism gets to an unmanageable level, which it probably will at some point, but protecting preemptively for the whole day is not a good idea, in my opinion. I suggest we unprotect for now. --W.marsh 18:58, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
This message was left on my talk page by the admin who semiprotected the article. However, I do think it should be unprotected, at least before kickoff. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 19:25, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

I went ahead and unprotected... we'll see what happens. --W.marsh 19:55, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Pregame entertainment

The official Superbowl web page states that over 50 professional entertainers will be performing as part of this year's pregame show. Does anyone know where the complete list of pregame show entetainers may be found? I guess I am not able to edit the main page, but I would like to note the following:

STEVIE NICKS AND WADDY WACHTEL WILL BE PERFOMING AS PART OF THIS YEAR'S PREGAME SHOW...ONE OF THEIR NUMBERS IS TO BE BROADCAST ON CBS. IF THERE IS AN ESTABLISHED MEMBER THAT COULD POST THIS INFORMATION THAT WOULD BE GREAT!...THANKS!Donnarq1 17:18, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

  • Can you link to the exact page you're talking about? I can only find [7] which doesn't mention Nicks. --W.marsh 17:26, 4 February 2007 (UTC)


It wasn't a link..Waddy told folks at his regular Monday night show in L.A. Evidently "Stand Back" was aired on CBS a little before 1:30 PST

I can't find a list either. It's playing right now on my new TV (50") and I definetely see more than 75. Øřêōş 22:53, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

International - United Kingdom

I can't edit this because it is a protected page, but please can someone add the United Kingdom to the list of internation broadcasters?

Broadcasting on ITV1, Sky Sports 1, and Sky Sports HD 1 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.81.240.93 (talk) 21:26, 4 February 2007 (UTC).

It's already in the article. John Reaves (talk) 21:32, 4 February 2007 (UTC)