Talk:Sunnyvale, California

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[edit] Bordered by

What about Alviso? 69.228.240.57 22:48, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Discussion in the "City Borders" section. TeamX 02:26, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Assessment

this article is clearly beyond a stub, but needs more breadth in transportation, land use, ecology etc to become B class. Anlace 05:14, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

I added a transportation section. Could possibly still use some expansion, but covers the basics.Plymouths 20:54, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
I suggest that the time values of distance of travel to the airports be removed. Time is highly variable. Distance is not, so I think it should be the only measurement given.--Krimsley 05:25, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Random query

Does anyone know anything about Ward Crump built home in Sunnyvale, CA? I don't know if he was a builder or an architect or a developer. Any info would be welcome. Thank you. 13:30, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Anyone know why Sunnyvale claims Moffett Federal Airfield?

At least using present-day boundaries it seems to clearly be in Mountain View. The article repeats claims from the official city of Sunnyvale website that "In 1930, Congress decided to place the West Coast dirigible base in Sunnyvale." The city of Sunnyvale is probably generally a reputable source, but in cases like this is NOT entirely unbiased. On the other hand, I can think of some scenarios where that statement might have been correct at the time, such as: 1) The originally planned site wasn't used and it ended up in MV, 2) the MV/Sunnyvale border could have been redrawn, the base could have moved a bit (seems the least likely of these, tho'). I've spent some (probably too much) time looking and I haven't found anything that helps clear up the discrepancy. Anybody else have any ideas how to get to the bottom of this? 71.231.107.188 04:01, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

My Rand McNally Bay Area Metro Thomas Guide map shows Moffet being split between Sunnyvale and Mountain View (well, ok, it's about 95% in Mountain View but a little piece of it is in Sunnyvale). Plymouths 05:02, 28 January 2007 (UTC)


Regarding the question of Moffett being in Sunnyvale vs. Mountain View; here is a reference to the original naming, which I believe led to the references of location (i.e. is it in Sunnyvale or Mountain View): "Given that the base was located in two Peninsula communities, the original name of the air base was supposed to be the Mountain View-Sunnyvale Naval Air Station. In fact, most of the base actually rests in Mountain View. But Naval officials in Washington, D.C. reportedly feared that the "mountain" in the title would create more safety concerns among Congressional leaders already jittery about the lighter-than air craft program. In the end, the Mountain View portion was left off in favor of just "Sunnyvale" which gave East Coast officials as image of vast, wide-open areas with plenty of room for massive air ships"

http://members.aol.com/GCSP/historymoffett.htm (Pete metro 23:14, 1 August 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Grammar correction?

Should "the blue cube" be changed to "The Blue Cube?" --Krimsley 05:23, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Comment on Crime Section

The commentary on gang activity should provide referenced statistics if it is to make claims about the crime rate trends. --Krimsley 05:27, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

I concur.--Coolcaesar 20:10, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
I too, concur --TeamX 05:34, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

I invite member Southsanjose to a discussion on this page regarding crime. The member's content on gangs is disproportionately long, contains content relavant to a discussion on gangs only (not specific to Sunnyvale), and is not balanced (such as stating the city's effort against gang crime). TeamX 03:46, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

I attempted to address these issues, but Southsanjose simply undid them with no attempt to discuss them. TeamX 03:48, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

I have resent an invitation with Southsanjose to talk in order to meet step #2 of vandelism procedure. The recent undo's by Southsanjose are undoing many changes. TeamX 00:25, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

User SunnyvalePublicSafety is now undoing the edits. I have invited that user. Can anyone else comment on this? SunnyvalePublicSafety seems suspiciously like Southsanjose on the user's only interest is 'undoing' ANY changes to the crime section, including other relevant information. I propose that the user create a new, seperate entry on those gangs. TeamX 07:32, 25 July 2007 (UTC)


From User:SunnyvalePublicSafety (who posted on his/her discussion page) TeamX 00:41, 27 July 2007 (UTC) :

Do not remove important content from this article. This is the original written article for "Crime" section in the Sunnyvale, California indexing. You must include the reason of why this activity is taking place in the city and what is causing it. Important facts where re-submitted, Do not remove them any further as this article is factual from Citation sources.

My reply

I respectfully ask you to participate on a discussion on the Sunnyvale, California discussion page. It would be a much better approach.

Please do not take any of the following personally. I am only doing what is in the Wikipedia guidelines - not suggesting you have incorrect intentions.

There are several issues with the article that I invite everyone to discuss.

1. The grammar is incorrect (plural subject/singular verb mismatch in the 4th sentence as an example.

2. What do you mean by "gangs have spread"? Instead of big groups hanging out together in few spots, smaller groups hang out in more spots? Or do you you mean the members live in more parts of the city? What source are you using?

3. What do you mean the gang "is growing"? By how much? One member a year? Is that gross or net? What is the source?

4. What do you mean that the gang is growing due to recent immigration laws? What laws? What are the law numbers? What is the connection with the immigration laws and member growth? If the the laws (supposedly) didn't change, would the growth be zero? What is the source?

5. What do you mean growth of Sureño families? Do you mean they are having more babies? Or do you mean more families are moving in to the city? What is the source?

6. Stating that 'Sunnyvale is located in Northern California' is redundant with the the Geography section. Don't you think that this redundant sentence should be removed?

7. Why do you state that most "Latinos born in N. CA .. become Norteños."? Don't you think this statement is wrong on many levels? For example, Wikipedia describes Latino as any one born in Latin America and decendants. Therefore the premise is incorrect. Don't you agree that the terminology should remain consistent? On another level,(ignoring the correct reference) are you stating that all Hispanic or Hispanic-surname people in N.CA. become gang members? Why is this gang background info relevant to an article specifically on Sunnyvale? is this consistent with other mentions of gangs in California cities? What is your source for the statement?

8. What is your source that one gang is recruiting because of growth of another gang? How much more?

9. What is the relevance to Sunnyvale about gang recruitment of people not born in the South? Wouldn't you consider this to be like statements about South Indian restaurants in the city seeing an influx of Northern Indians (even though they weren't born in Southern India)?

10. More grammar problems, "Latinos that engage in being a Sureño being born". Agree?

11. Why do you mention Lations in that above statement? Regardless of the terminology, are you implying that a non-Latino who does the same has different implications?

12. What is the relevance of levas to the Sunnyvale article? Are you implying that the word is different for other parts of California.

13. What is the contribution of crime from these gangs? Would you agree that the 'Crime' section should talk about the major sources of crime? What other non-gang crime exists?

I appreciate you interest to express content on the gangs - this is information that could (and should) go into a separate article. I look forward to an intelligent discussion above. Thanks.

TeamX 00:41, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

I concur with your careful, intelligent critique of User:Southsanjose's very poor-quality edits. If User:Southsanjose refuses to cooperate with the dispute resolution process and starts an edit war, then we may need to find an admin to impose a block. --Coolcaesar 06:53, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
I look forwards to your assistance with the block. TeamX 16:07, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

I concur with all of the above. I am, however, interested in more information on gang activity. My sources in the community of Sunny Vale, CA have told me that there is a lot of gang violence occuring right now. It is alleged that eleven Samoan youth have been shot. Five of them are reported to have died. Can anyone help provide an accrate picture of what is happening in Sunny Vale?

Thanks. Bigangry1

An anonymous contributer modified the section again with strongly opinionated, unreferenced comments without any comment in this Talk section. The modifications were done on 4 December 2007. I undid them as a result. TeamX 05:44, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Good call. I'd undone two later edits that were OR and irrelevant. I probably should have undone that one as well, but didn't have any facts to the contrary. -- TJRC 06:28, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Comments from Sunnyvale resident: —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.3.10.49 (talk) 05:36, 4 January 2008 (UTC) I live in the Lakewood Village area in Sunnyvale and can tell you from what I have personally seen is there is a LOT of gang activity in the area. For example the graffiti on my street (2 different fences on Hidden Lake) have been covered with "Koosh Crips" and other "tags" of local gangs. The city did an OK job of cleaning up the graffiti quickly but it returned within days. Our lakewood neighborhood association paper has made references to the gang activity in our area. We have a very heavy police presence in the lakewood area and I have seen streets blocked off and a house or houses surrounded at least 4 times in the last 3 years (later in the paper or association newsletter we hear the activity involved gang members being arrested). It is my opinion as someone who lives in Sunnyvlae that if we did not have such a large amount of police we would see gangs behaving more like they do in southern CA than they do now.

[edit] City Borders

Sunnyvale does NOT border San Jose to the east. This fact can be confirmed (or disproved) with any map showing city boundaries. I removed San Jose to the east. TeamX 06:33, 27 July 2007 (UTC)


Regarding the statement on city boarders, we seem to be missing 1, Los Altos. In the area between Fremont and Homestead, west of 85, there is a pocket of Sunnyvale that boarders Los Altos. Stevens Creek is the boarder between the two cites in this area. I'm familiar with this area because the creek is the boarder in my backyard. Is there any reason that this boarder was not included? I realize it’s a small area, but if we want this to be correct, I would think it should be added... Any thoughts?

   (Pete metro 23:32, 1 August 2007 (UTC))

Yes. It appears that Los Altos shares a border - I confirmed it with Google Earth. Also, interestingly, San Jose is actually to the north (not the east in the original text). I also noted the boundary with Moffet Field. TeamX 05:26, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Alviso, California is a neighborhood of San Jose. It has not been a seperate city since 1968. (Please feel free to research this type of easy-to-lookup topic before posting - Thanks.) TeamX 02:31, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Neighborhood Discussions

Two statements need to be clarified and perhaps moved. The statement about South Indian business is probably incorrect. The intention is probably 'businesses owned by South Indian immigrants' or 'businesses that cater to Southern Indians'. Also, to balance this statement, what is the number of % of these types of business compared to others? In any case, it probably does not belong in the Geography section.

The point about the 'nicest' place to live in the city probably does not belong in the Demographic section.

Both above should probably be in a new section - consistent with other California cities - about "Neighborhoods" (whatever section title is appropriate).

TeamX 02:36, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

I took a stab at starting to flesh this out. I didn't touch the pre-existing text (although I agree it should probably be whacked). I only documented the three neighborhoods that I know to be commonly referred to by name. But there's not much of a distinction in common usage in Sunnyvale between a "neighborhood" and a "neighborhood association", and neighborhoods are commonly referred to by their encompassing association, except for Sunnyvale West, which occupies half the city. It might be better to describe neighborhood associations here instead, but that's not really standard practice. Jokeboy (talk) 02:56, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Sunnyvale, California seal circa 1965.png

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[edit] Expand Geography, Climate, Neighborhoods

All three of these sections need expansions. Refer to other California cities for examples of facts and imags. Thanks. TeamX 17:36, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removed Nina Ruch

I removed the following text as I found it to be unverifiable: "* Nina Ruch, nee Keener, (photographer and writer) attended Ponderosa Elementary School in the 1970's. Suffering from Osteogenesis Imperfecta, also known as "Brittle Bone Disease" or "Glass bones" (as portrayed on episodes of Chicago Hope, ER and in the movie Unbreakable) she had over 150 fractures by her 20's. In exchange for medical care she contributed valuable information to doctors and researchers, in California and Berlin, Germany (where few doctors had ever seen such a patient)." NuclearWinner (talk) 01:49, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Capcom HQ

One of Capcom's headquarters is located here. Can I add in the Trivia section about that? Moogle 12 (talk) 12:42, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] corrections

fremont high opened in 1923 with it's first graduating class of 8 seniors in 1924. The Murphy house was torn down sometime after 1965.

Not according to the Sunnyvale Heritage Society or Historical Museum, it wasn't - http://www.heritageparkmuseum.org/murphy.html. They quote 1961, which was the source of my information (sorry for not inserting a citation) - Jokeboy (talk)