Talk:Sun cross

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[edit] {{fact}}

I am not saying much or even most of this article is incorrect. But it needs references. The symbol.com article linked, devastatingly, does not cite a single reference. It is imperative that we state according to whom the symbol is associated with Odin, Taranis or Quetzalcoatl, since we cannot just go and interview the ancient Norse, Gauls, or Aztecs. dab (ᛏ) 11:41, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nazi Usage

I added this, as there is little account of it's modern appropriation:

    The sun cross was adopted as a symbol by Hitler's Nazi party and has also been adopted by Neo-Nazi groups.

and a link

  • [1] Nazi Symbolism.

It was removed immediately as unconstructive and possible vandalism. I am not a nazi, and we should bbe careful in how we present them, but it is important for readers to understand that the sun cross was used by the Nazi's as a symbol very much independant of the swastika. Can anyone back me up against these wiki edit "nazis" ??!!


[edit] Serbian sun cross

Can we get a picture of the "ancient Serbian sun cross"? It seems to be the only one in the list without a picture, which would be inordinately helpful in visualizing it. Thanks! - Che Nuevara 07:10, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WP:CITE

alright, this article has been making unsourced claims for too long. My request for sources was made a full year ago, and nothing happened. I'll mercilessly cut it down to referenced basics, feel free to add back information, citing sources. dab (𒁳) 09:27, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gallery-ism

The middle section of this article shows an unfortunate tendency to devolve into an image gallery... AnonMoos 07:21, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Shimazu/Satsuma Clan

The symbol of the "Sun Cross" appears to be identical to the mon(family crest) of the Shimazu samurai clan of Japan, which controlled the provence of Satsuma. It is still commonly used in the Kagoshima area to represent the area. The official symbol of the city is a slightly altered version of the sun cross. I don't know what the Japanese name for it is, and it has no connection to the religions mentioned in this wikipage, but the proportions appear to be identical. Can we place a mention of this and a link to the Shimazu Clan?

See: http://lime78.com/shimazu.html

http://www.eastofindia.com/catalogue2_usd.htm

http://books.google.com/books?id=JthOD4Xh8IcC&pg=PA22&lpg=PA22&dq=shimazu+samurai+mon&source=web&ots=dGszPy2goH&sig=ZZNWAMKj6nCbr6kSOzDwhNm0ZuU Identity0 (talk) 08:54, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Taranis/Christ/Mithras/Sol Invictus

Notably, there is no mention of Taranis who is invariably depicted with a spoked 'sun wheel' which sometimes appears in the four-part proportion.

Similarly, and no doubt more controversially, the 'crossed horizon' is sometimes associated with both Mithras and Sol Invictus - both Roman mystery cults that were current at the early development of Christianity, whose adopted symbol was, of course, changed to the crucifix from the alpha-omega, 'fish symbol' and others previously used . According to Esme Wynne Tyson in "Mithras-the Fellow in the cap" pp.171 the 'fiery cross' seen by Constantine at the Battle of the Milvian Bridge was known as the 'Labarum' and consisted of a gilded spear with a transverse bar surmounted by a crown. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Trysca (talk • contribs) 23:19, 27 April 2008 (UTC)