Talk:SunCruz Casinos sale (2000)

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[edit] Abramoff a person of interest in Boulis Murder?

Is Abramoff still a "person of interest"?

As far as my research can tell, he is not or perhaps never was. There is no web news source I could find with "Abramoff" and "person of interest" as of a few weeks ago. Note that during the December 2000 physical altercation between Boulis and Kidan, Abramoff was away on business. The primary conflict was between Kidan and Boulis, and the indication is that Abramoff and Waldman wanted nothing of it. (They just wanted to make money off SunCruz). Abramoff's connection to the sordid affair has been mentioned only tangentially to the murder. (i.e. I have seen no evidence media that the police think he was directly involved). KWH 03:16, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Atta connection.

The above information was removed from the timeline section of this article. This information is also in the articles on Mohamed Atta and Category:Jack Abramoff scandals. The sources are good and I don't think there is much doubt about the story. It is even mentioned in the 9/11 Commission Report that Atta was in a casino in Florida on the 5th of September, although the casino in question is not named. I'll leave it to others to decide whether it deserves inclusion or not. Seabhcán 22:52, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

It is speculative. The St Pete cite that you bring said this: " Two or three men linked to the hijackings may have been customers... The FBI has not confirmed the men's identities. This was five years ago. It was clearly not confirmed. -- Sholom 15:48, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
True, no newspaper has followed it up. We could say:
I had a long winded reply on this last night that I apparently forgot to click save on. Sholom, you are right-on; all the sources on the web on this go back to the September 27 AP article, which only states that the employees thought they saw them, and that SunCruz was turning over evidence to the FBI. I couldn't find the follow-up. In addition, I didn't find anything about it in the 9/11 Commission Report, the 9/11 Report only states that Atta flew to Boston from Ft. Lauderdale on September 7. I'll hit the library and see if I can find anything more clear. KWH 16:24, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
I searched a large newspaper database at the library and found nothing regarding a followup on the casino visit. Not one article after the original September 27 articles. (I tried search terms "suncruz and terrorist" and some others) It's quite possible that it was a complete 'red herring', the cruise staff were mistaken, and so it wasn't worth printing another word about.
Also, the 9/11 Commission Report delves into great detail on many of the terrorist's activities, and where they were at various times, but has nothing on this visit.KWH 03:00, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
Good work. We should probably remove it form the other two articles too. Seabhcán 08:23, 9 June 2006 (UTC)


Now that "Sholom" has turned himself in to jail, can we put this back into the main article? It's almost certain to become relevant again once the revelations of the White House's interference in the Abramoff/Guam probe comes to light. Sofa King Wednesday, 2007-03-21 T 23:08 UTC

[edit] Do we need a timeline?

Back before anyone had pleaded guilty, and we weren't sure what the facts were, a timeline was helpful. I don't think it's helpful now, and would like to get rid of it. Anyone else have any thoughts? -- Sholom 20:16, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

I usually don't like timelines; if the events in the timeline are all (or even mostly) covered in the article text, it should go. KWH 12:11, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
Done. (Indeed, checking showed that all of the events in the timeline were indeed covered in the article text). -- Sholom 13:53, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
Added timeline to Jack Abramoff timeline -- any cleaning anyone else wants to do, would be great! --User At Work 19:24, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The subject of this article.

This article is supposed to be about SunCruz Casinos, but it appears to be largely about its connection to the Jack Abramoff scandal. Could we please move all that content to its own article, something like "Jack Abramoff and SunCruz Casinos" or vice-versa, and actually write an article about the day-to-day stuff on SunCruz Casinos, like where it sails from, what you can do on the ships, and so on? --Kitch 13:11, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes. This is what happens when someone breathlessly reports an investigation in progress. Later it becomes passe and no one can remember it!
Thanks to the sheer size of this article, we now have no article on the cruise line itself which is of current and continuing interest.Student7 (talk) 00:39, 10 December 2007 (UTC)