Talk:Sumgait pogrom

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I removed a dubious source. An account in the Armenian Communist Party newspaper cannot be considered reliable, especially with regard to claims of genocide, etc. Grandmaster 09:56, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Right than give a explanation for the removal of the videos. You haven't given any sufficient evidence for the removal. --Hu1lee 17:01, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Removed the YouTube video external links, not acceptable per this thread [1] and this conclusion [2]. Thanks. Atabek 23:44, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Really? and who exactly copyrighted these videos? It wasn't TASS that was recording the footage during the violence but individuals. --Marshal Bagramyan 00:41, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

MarshallBagramyan, I provided the links above which make a conclusion on whether YouTube video qualifies for external link or not. I don't see how Sumgait pogrom video would qualify without violating Wikipedia:Copyright, while Khojaly videos would not. Assume good faith. Atabek 09:52, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

User:Urmenihte was identified and blocked as a sock of banned User:Artaxiad - [3]. So I reverted his edits. Atabek 09:52, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I added tags in expectation of references that "narcotics were distributed to Azeri crowds". Such claims, including sentence after that, referencing a paragraph of OR without any author, book or article name, publication year, page number are simply original research. Also a number of other reference quotes at the bottom, are simply paragraphs of text without source information. So Original research tag must be inserted until all references are cleaned up. Atabek 23:10, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

There is no need to label the entire article with a negative remark for a few fact-tags. Alot of articles contain fact-tags, and we would have to tag them all as 'OR's. Let's wait for the authors of the article to provide the required sources.--TigranTheGreat 09:01, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

MarshallBagramyan, is Shahmuratian a neutral reference on Sumgait? Atabek 12:45, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

That's a moot point; Shahmuratian is simply an editor, he just compiled all the testimonies together. Even so, his work is cited by dozens of sources that document the Sumgait massacre. So if you're trying to have him removed from this article, then you're in effect simultaneously removing other so-called "neutral" authors from the article.--Marshal Bagramyan 19:41, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Conspiracy theories

I don't believe that adding this section is informative but it is nationalist POV pushing to promote the other sides agenedas. --Namsos (talk) 06:41, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikiproject and nature of massacre

First of all, so called Wikiproject Karabakh no longer exists and was removed per this decision. Secondly, there is no proof that pogrom in Sumgait was Azeri-led, as those caught and prosecuted by Soviet authorities for these riots included Armenians. Atabek (talk) 22:26, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

There's about sixty citations that say it was. I'm surprised how you can insist on so stupid and idiotic a notion. The arrest of one or two Armenians does not it in any way dispeel or disprove that almost all the participants were Azeris. Please don't cry about maintaing "good faith" either, your most recent edits are just more evidence for me to use that your edits are wholly ill-intentioned in nature.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 00:27, 29 May 2008 (UTC)