Talk:Sulu Sultanate

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1 Sultanate of Sulu had a timeline
2 A little more cleaning
3 This article is POV
4 Flag

[edit] Sultanate of Sulu had a timeline

As I encountered it in November 2003, Sultanate of Sulu was an unwikified timeline dating back to at least 1457. Now it is a stub dating from May 2004. What happened to the data in this article? How could it have disappeared? 169.207.112.239 05:36, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Here is a plausible explanation: A timeline was copied to the article, then noticed as a probable copy violation, then deleted. 169.207.112.239 05:49, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)

According to the Wikipedia:deletion log, Maximus Rex deleted this on 19 May 2004 as it had been listed on Wikipedia:Copyright problems for over 7 days with no opposition to deletion. Angela . 12:35, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Somebody needs to rewrite this. __earth 07:33, Nov 6, 2004 (UTC)

Yes, I agree, Its so confusing that I am stil treating this thing as "raw text", before I even try to understand the thing. :) --Noypi380 14:55, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Oh ya, this has been cleaned already. --Noypi380 02:03, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Should this sultanate be part of Malaysia's history? All of Sulu (except Sabah) are part of the Philippines. :) --Noypi380 13:01, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A little more cleaning

I cleaned this article just a little more. There are some issues that I found. The part mentioning the exclusion of Sulu and Mindanao, I can't verify. An online version of the Treaty of Paris (1898) gives cooridinates... Joemaza 08:13, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

If one does an analysis of the coordinates given in the text using a map, they actually correspond roughly to the territory that the present Philippine Republic occupies — including the Sulu archipelago, and Mindanao and its outlying islands.

Areas included (if the exact text of the treaty is strictly interpreted) in the territory Spain ceded to the US in 1898:

the northern part of the Kawio Islands (not disputed with Indonesia)
Palmas/Miangas Islands (disputed between former colonizers United States and Netherlands, but settlement was reached)
the part of the disputed Spratly Archipelago that lies between 7 degrees 35 minutes to 10 degrees N latitude and from 116 degrees E longitude eastward, i.e. Bombay Shoal, Boxall Shoal, Half-Moon Shoal, Investigator Northeast Shoal, Royal Captain Shoal and Sabina Shoal (all of which are currently unoccupied but largely under control of the Philippine Navy and Air Force).

Areas under Philippine jurisdiction today but not explicitly included (if the exact text of the treaty is strictly interpreted) in the territory Spain ceded to the US in 1898, although were bought by the U.S. later:

Turtle Islands (part of Tawi-Tawi province)
Cagayan de Tawi-Tawi/Mapun Island (part of Tawi-Tawi province)

Also note that in the text of the treaty there is no mention of Luzon, Visayas, Sulu or Mindanao whatsoever. dirrtychristian 06:39, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

I believe this is sufficient reason to remove the 'disputed' tag over that part of the article. -- Dakilang Isagani 00:53, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

DepEd is currently correcting the Philippine Historical records to include the new proofs that surfaced proving that Spain gave up Luzon and Visayas to the US. One of this new proof was Emilio Aguinaldo's words (and the KKK declaration) that they are fighting for Luzon and Visayas and considers Mindanao an ally and independent state. They also further stated in this newly surfaced document that the "Philippines" is composed of Luzon and Visayas only according to Emilio Aguinaldo himself and the United States. Mindanao was later annexed after Manuel Quezon's plan was executed - fill Mindanao with Filipinos and make a declaration that the Philippines is composed of Luzon, Visayas, and Mindanao. Which was successful as we can see today. Emilio Aguinaldo and the United States never agreed on Manual Quezon's plans, but they both chose to stay away from it.

The current version givens the history of Sabah in great detail, but very little of the history of the Sulu Sultanate. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.167.10.194 (talk) 20:55, August 20, 2007 (UTC)

[edit] This article is POV

This article is nonsense. why is it supporting the idea that Sabah belongs to the Sultanate of Sulu, now a part of the Philippines? it is ridiculous to believe that a non-existent monarchy as Sulu could still hold a claim on North Borneo? they didn't take care of it the last time, what makes you think the Sulu sultan has any right to claim it now? if Sulu wants to claim Sabah, then Indonesia should claim Sulu, as Srivijaya during the 12th century conquered southern Mindanao. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.185.97.76 (talk) 01:40, 9 November 2007 (UTC)