Talk:Sultana (grape)

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[edit] Sultanas, raisins, currants

Here in the UK, I can go to any supermarket's home-baking section and buy three generic types of dried grape: raisins, currants and sultanas. Clearly, these three are all distinct from a UK perspective. However, I've seen currants called sultanas, sultanas called raisins, raisins called currants and so on. A clear distinction needs to be made, and a systematic, unambigous listing of what people worldwide are referring to when they say "sultana", "currant" or "raisin" in reference to dried grapes. Some example sources:

• Kew Gardens (UK)
• Fruit reseller (New Zealand)

195.173.23.111 11:43, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Also here in Denmark, the sultana raisins do not look the same, nor have the same taste as the Thompson raisins, which causes a bit of a confusion because the Thompson_seedless article redirects to here, plus it is mentioned that they are the same. I agree with the previous user, that a clear destinction should be made because the information we have now seems only to add to the confusion.

I'll take this on if I find the time - but I agree with you both and with the worldview tag. I've just redirected Thompson Seedless and Thompson Seedless grape to Grape. However, no doubt a helpful American will have reverted that by now. Dybeck 15:59, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm reverting my earlier comments, as I aborted the edit I was working on. I hate to be what Dybeck calls a helpful American, but it appears that the Thompson Seedless grape and the sultana are indeed the same grape. Under US federal agricultural regulations they are synonymous: Thompson Seedless Raisins includes those raisins commonly referred to in international trade as Sultana raisins and means raisins made from Thompson Seedless (Sultana) grapes and from grapes with characteristics similar to Thompson Seedless (Sultanina) grapes [1]. Perhaps the difference between raisins labeled as Thompson and those labeled as Sultana are a result of geographical origin? (Wine made from the same grapes sure varies by where the grapes are grown, why not raisins too?)

Several other sources that agree on the synonymy: [2] (PDF), [3], [4]. I don't find anything that clearly distinguishes them. Tkinias 17:45, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

OK, I think I've got it all sorted out now, and I've rewritten the article to reflect it. I've also put the Thompson Seedless redirects pointing back here. I've added citations for everything, too, so if there are any points of dispute we can talk about evidence... Tkinias 19:21, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

This is a little annoying for those in English-speaking countries (such as the UK) where a 'sultana'is very specifically a form of dried grape, and would never refer to a Thompson Seedless in any other form. Just so you know :) Dybeck 12:11, 20 June 2006 (UTC)