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Contents 1 Villar Perosa 2 Mechanics 3 Police 4 "Famous" submachine guns 5 PK3 9mm SMG 6 Oompa Lumpas? 7 MP18 8 FOPA 9 Short Burst? 10 STAR Force not SWAT

[edit] Villar Perosa

I altered the Villar Perosa reference to LMG; though it used a 9mm pistol round, its tactical use indicates that was its intent, not SMG. See Military Smallarms of the 20h Century & The Encyclopedia of 20h Century Weapons & Warfare. --squadfifteen, 23/11/05

[edit] Mechanics

I came to this page looking for information on the basic workings of submachineguns. My impression is that, like automatic pistols, they do not lock their breech and that, like automatic most anything, they are actuated by gas pressure. I could be wrong both on the pistols and on the SMGs.

A related question is the heat budget. How long can a SMG fire at auto rate with a good chance of not jamming? What is done to help (besides keeping the magazines small)? How is the exterior kept cool enough not to burn hands? Are there exceptions?

Many thanks in advance.

Phranger

In general, subguns do fire form a open breech. Some, like the MP-5, do not, but they are the exception. Most larger automatic pistols (9x19mm and above) do in fact lock their breech. Additionally, almost all submachine guns are, like automatic pistols, recoil operated. A gas system would be unnecessarily complex.

As for your second question, you would find your self hard pressed to overheat any magazine fed weapon under normal circumstances. Unless one feeds mag after mag into it a SMG won't overheat enough to effect anything other than accuracy. To really overheat a gun it has to be belt fed. As for barrels, one does not usually hold onto the barrel of a gun that is being fired, because they do get hot. In the future, this is not really the place to put questions like this. A gun forum would probably be a better setting. SirBob42 13:21, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Police

They rose to prominence as a frontline and commando weapon during World War II, and are now widely used by police and paramilitary organizations.

Uhm could you tell me which police force uses actual submachine guns so I can avoid that country ? Or do you mean some kind of a special force and not the regular police ? Taw 20:22, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

The British police used have access to a single-shot version of the Sterling submachine gun GraemeLeggett 20:41, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Uhm, according to the article they use a semi-automatic version, so it's not a real SMG (which according to the definition in the article needs to be fully automatic). Any other references ? Taw 01:45, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Virtually every police force in the world has submachine guns at their disposal. They are of course not used on a day to day basis but rather in heightened risk situations (like chases after armed bank robbers or whenever there's a terror alert). Those police forces that do not use submachine guns, generally use assault rifles instead. --Sus scrofa 09:50, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Famous" submachine guns

More like "a list of my favorite SMGs". Who decides what is famous or not and what is their criterion? The Suomi?! Its article is only four paragraphs long. Pull your heads out of your asses.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.79.10.226 (talk • contribs) 10:44, 2006 July 29 (UTC)

That is the problem with fame, how to quantify it. No, this list should not be a list arbitrarily created by people adding their personal favorite SMG, but it should include SMGs that are historicaly important, such as the Tommy Gun and some of the others. Should it have the Suomi or Glauberyt on it? I have no idea, I am no expert in SMG fame, but many of the recently removed SMGs probably do have a place on the list. Though, checking with the Assault Rifle article, it can be seen that no "Famous Assault Rifles" list is included, which is probably how it should be done here as well.
—Asatruer 19:23, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] PK3 9mm SMG

This is starting to bug me. Searching through the images on the US Army website, I came across a picture of a US Soldier using what's apparently called a "PK3" 9mm SMG [1]. This has me interested because I've never heard of a PK3 and this gun does not look familiar to me. However, researching this thing brings me to dead ends, as Wikipedia doesn't have an article on the PK3, and Google searches just bring me back to other US Army pages that host the same picture. I can't seem to find any SMGs that would look like a PK3 when I go through the list of SMGs on the "Submachine gun" Wikipedia page either.

Think anyone would have some info, or at least give a clue to what it could be? SouthernStang93 06:35, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Oops...Cache wasn't loading some images properly, and I must have missed this last night. Someone pointed out that the PK3 is the Polish PM-98, an upgraded version of the PM-84 Glauberyt. I'll still leave this here for future internet reference. SouthernStang93 18:05, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Oompa Lumpas?

I'm hoping that oompa lumpa bit at the beginning of the intro is vandalism, rather that somone's idea of scholarly text. I tried to remove it, but it does not show up in the editable text. Perhaps someone who knows more about the inner workings of a wiki can succeed.

166.165.243.205 21:39, 11 December 2006 (UTC)Jesse S.

[edit] MP18

The MP18 was not, I repeat WAS NOT, the first true submachine gun. The Italians managed to introduce a submachine gun based on the Villar Perosa a few months before the introduction of the MP18. AllStarZ 02:31, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh really?

Any picture or drawing of this italian SMG in the hand of soldiers,Italian or others as captured weapons? any report? any patent? any book quoting this weapon in use? Edmond HUET (talk) 22:37, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] FOPA

Added a reference to the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986 in Legality section. It was made illegal to own a domestically produced automatic weapon after that date. Remember the Fleming sear? Also noted the corporate transfer "loophole" Exdmd 08:04, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Short Burst?

Am I right in thinking that submachine guns fire in bursts of about 3 bullets pur trigger pull? If so this should be added. (If I am wrong then sorry & please could someone explain)—Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.43.95.185 (talk • contribs)

Fully automatic weapons such as submachine guns fire for as long as the trigger is held down. Skilled shooters can fire single shots from weapons that have full automatic mode only by releasing the trigger quickly. Weapons with built in burst fire usually fire a set number of bullets, I think three is the most common number. --Sus scrofa 19:31, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] STAR Force not SWAT

Changed the reference of Australian special police units from SWAT to STAR Force, SWAT is the American special police units. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MaddMoose1989 (talk • contribs) 02:16, 18 January 2008 (UTC)