Talk:SU-85

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I would like to propose that the SU-100, SU-85 and SU-122 be merged into a single article. The vehicles are basically the same differing guns. Oberiko 15:35, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

It would make some sense to merge the SU-85 and SU-100 pages; I agree the SU-100 is really an upgrade of the SU-85. However, the SU-122 was developed for a completely different tactical role and deserves separate treatment. The SU-122 was an assault gun to support other arms (infantry and tanks) with direct HE fire. Its antiarmor capability was pretty weak. The SU-85/100 was a dedicated TD. DMorpheus 19:47, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Please note the D-5T gun was an 85mm weapon mounted on the SU-85, KV-85 and very early T-34-85s. The D-25T was the 122mm mounted on the IS-2. DMorpheus 17:02, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] References for SU-85 prototype names

The article currently lists names such as "SU-85-I" and "SU-85-II" for prototype versions. I've not been able to find these in any source other than the dubious JED site. I suspect they may be made up by that site. Normal Soviet practice was to give prototypes object numbers or A-numbers, not roman numeral-suffixes. Any additional references available? Regards, DMorpheus (talk) 21:28, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

I have an additional source. I'll update the article tomorrow. Regards. - SuperTank17 (talk) 21:34, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

The ref still points nowhere and the JED site is unsupported by any other source of which I'm aware. DMorpheus (talk) 14:55, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Here's the source that I added: http://www.battlefield.ru/content/view/64/44/lang,en/

And you are cutting and pasting that content complete with typos and poor english usage. Interesting. Fair use? Regards, DMorpheus (talk) 15:30, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

I modified and corrected them. You would notice that if you would look closely at the text. Regards. - SuperTank17 (talk) 15:35, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Not all of them ;) At any rate, is this fair usage? Have you gotten permission and given credit? Regards, DMorpheus (talk) 17:11, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

I think you can say that I'm giving a credit by using footnotes in which I mention the source. The text can be even further modified if it's absolutely necessary. Regards. - SuperTank17 (talk) 17:17, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

There may be a policy violation here. Regards, DMorpheus (talk) 17:38, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Ok I'll modify the text when I'll have time. Regards. - SuperTank17 (talk) 17:43, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

The page will be blanked under wikipedia policy if this isn't dealt with. DMorpheus (talk) 17:52, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Postwar use: sources

"In addition to the Second World War, the SU-85 was used in combat by North Korea in the Korean War, by Egypt in the 1956 Suez Crisis, and by both Egypt and Syria in the 1967 Six-Day War (Perrett 1987:84).[dubious – discuss]"

I'm not sure this is a credible source or statement. SU-100s were used by Egypt and Syria - but SU-85s? I've also never heard of them being used in Korea. DPRK units had SU-76 and T-34-85. I suggest we find another source to back this claim. Regards, DMorpheus (talk) 15:28, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Anyone have another source on this? DMorpheus (talk) 12:44, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, please check elsewhere if possible. Perrett has either mistyped a name or transposed two paragraphs, so what he writes is a bit confusing (I've tried to interpret it conservatively). —Michael Z. 2008-05-02 18:40 Z