Talk:Stone of Scone

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Contents 1 Page move 2 Patriotic or nationalist? 3 Spare stone 4 cat 5 Age of St. Edward's Chair? 6 Return of the Stone. 7 Why does Wikipedia remove my entry under 'external links', please? 8 Stone of Scone articles 9 Question about removed link 10 Stone in Kent 11 Picture?? 12 theft of stone

[edit] Page move

It would be nice to get a justification for this apparently pointless move. -- Derek Ross | Talk 06:06, 2004 Aug 19 (UTC)

Not so pointless:-The Stone of Scone was moved from Stone of Destiny because it was listed on 'Clean Up' with a request that it be merged with Lia Fáil, an article about another stone which also claims to be the Stone of Destiny. Earlier versions of Stone of Scone also made references to the 'Lia Fáil' and confused the two as being the same stone. The external link from 'Lia Fáil' clearly demonstrates that one is in Ireland and a monolith the other is in Scotland and a square slab. Following debate on 'Wikipedia Clean Up' Stone of Destiny now disambuguates.Giano 08:27, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Thanks. That makes sense. The only problem that I have with the move is that the commonest name of the Scottish stone is the "The Stone of Destiny" and it is the better known of the two worldwide, so it's not so good to have it at its alternate lesser known name. However on balance it's proably the right thing to do. It would have been nice to have some advance warning on the talk page for the article itself though rather than on some other page. -- Derek Ross | Talk 15:34, 2004 Aug 19 (UTC)

[edit] Patriotic or nationalist?

"On Christmas Day 1950, a group of four patriotic students ... " The use of the term 'patriotic' here seems to suggest that the theft of the stone was an honourable thing, particularly to patriotic Scots. As a patriotic Scot myself, I'd rather not be associated with the theft and/or damage of any object, no matter what the political motives be. The said students were also Scottish nationalists, suggesting that patriotism and nationalism are hand in hand. While I don't doubt that the four students were "patriotic", I think it best to disassociate this term with the act, or at least highlight that the students believed it to be a patriotic act in their view. --Ayrshire--77 17:38, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)

That's reasonable -- Derek Ross | Talk 19:52, 2005 Jan 4 (UTC)

[edit] Spare stone

someone in the know should merge redirect Lia Fail Stone to the relevant stone article (I assume the picture is Scone). Also a check if the picture is usable and a once over its only linked article Navan Fort are probably needed. MeltBanana 01:37, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] cat

Hi. I removed this article from Category:Politics of Scotland not in an attempt to say that the stone is not a matter of political interest (although I do strongly suspect, incidentally, that the move to Edinburgh has largely obviated the issue except among a few people who like being unhappy) — but no, I moved it simply because it's not like the other memebers of that category. If you look at that category's population right now, it includes politicians, political parties, political structures, constitutional dilemmas, and so forth. This article seemed to me to have a little "one of these things is not like the others" going on. Doops | talk 00:44, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Age of St. Edward's Chair?

This article implies that the chair was already old when the stone was first placed in it, whereas the St. Edward's Chair article states that the chair was specifically built to house the stone. Which is correct? 217.155.20.163 13:24, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Return of the Stone.

Edward may have informally agreed that the Stone of Scone should be returned to Scotland, but this does not form part of the Treaty of Northampton.

As for the Stone taken by the English in 1296 not being the authentic item, this must rank among the siller debates of Scottish history. If the 'real' stone was hidden it was so well hidden it could not be produced for subsequent Scottish coronations. It is really no surprise that it could not be dug up in time for Robert Bruce's rushed affair in 1306; but there is really no excuse for it missing that of his son, David, the first Scottish king to be anointed with full papal approval. Besides, why claim the Westminster stone back at all if it was a fake? The question is rhetorical. Please, please, no oddball answers! Rcpaterson 01:00, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

I've created an article Westminster Stone theory which discusses the theory that the stone Edward took was not the real one. It also aims to present the arguments and counter-arguments. This alleviates the need for speculation on this page. Perhaps the existing speculation and theories could be removed from here? Gwinva 16:05, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Why does Wikipedia remove my entry under 'external links', please?

Could someone please give me the reasons why my contribution to 'External links' constantly gets removed?

It points to a site with various well researched articles about the Stone of Destiny, but it gets removed whenever I post the link. J 10:39, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stone of Scone articles

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. Thank you for your contribution to Stone of Scone. However the link you keep adding is not really appropriate for that article (see Wikipedia:External_links) as it presents an unusual and controversial view which is not represented in the main article.

It would be more appropriate if you were to contribute to the main article, or even better to its talk page or create a separate article, if you believe that you have something important or worthy to add. Thanks!

--Lost tourist 10:59, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your message.

The view presented by the link IS in fact mentioned in the main article, right in the very beginning under the heading 'Tradition and history' - Quote: "Traditionally, it is supposed to be the pillow stone said to have been used by the Biblical Jacob."

I believe that the views presented by the linked page are relevant and definately worth including, since the articles found by following the link are backed by historical documents and for example, scientific analysis of chippings from the original stone. It is a group of articles dedicated to the history of the stone and since the same view that is presented by it IS represented and explicitly stated in the main article, I cannot see any reason why the link should not be included.

With all due respect, is it justified to remove it completely because it presents views not shared by Lost tourist? In the main article, other opposing views are allowed, but why not this one? I believe the link must be allowed, since it deals with the very first traditional view (that of it being Jacob's pillar stone) mentioned in the main article. What do others think about this, please?

Thank you for your consideration, any replies are welcome.

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jacquessmit" Jacquessmit 10:18, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Question about removed link

Dear Wibbble,

I recently added the link 'Jacob's Pillar Stone - articles & studies by JAH' and was hoping that you could please explain to me your reasons for removing the link and how you came to the conclusion of it being inappropriate, please? It is very unclear to me on what grounds it can be qualified as 'inappropriate' since the material found on the site contains in my opinion lots of highly relevant & actual information about the stone. Of course, that is my opinion - but even if one does not agree with that it still contains an interesting view, which is very well supported and well cited.

If you are interested in what is written about Jacob's Pillar in the Bible, you can find the relevant scriptures here.

There must be some way that this information could be made available on this page, and I hope that we can find a way to settle it.

Kind regards, and hoping to hear from you soon.

Jacquessmit 08:51, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stone in Kent

Does anyone know something about this stone here: Athelstan of England?--Tresckow 08:15, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Picture??

Are there anyone who has taken a picture of the stone at it's place in Edinburgh Castle? Or maybe anyone who took at the ceremony of placing it there? Or even a snapshot at the copy in Scone castle? Edwin Charles (talk) 09:56, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

• • Or should we just have a painting of it? Edwin Charles (talk) 13:38, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] theft of stone

simply saying they took the stone implies they might have had permission. Also, what happened to the students? Rds865 (talk) 03:10, 27 April 2008 (UTC)