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[edit] The statement

"STP's five albums have sold over 170 million copies in the United States alone" is absurd. Someone cite that, or correct that...

Good job that was changed. The current figures aren't referenced, and I don't believe that the worldwide figure is reliable. Can anyone reference this? Kristmace (talk) 16:13, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Stop the edit war about whether STP played "Hard Rock" or "Rock". If you guys can't decide, wouldn't "Rock" cover both?

Seriously. Its getting a bit old. Let's debate here, on the talk page, rather than in the article.--PabloMartinez 13:14, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

That's why I keep changing it back to rock. Rock covers hard rock, grunge, and alternative rock. But then we get editors changing it to hard rock as if that were their primary genre, anbd then it gets further complicated when someone makes it "hard rock/alternative rock". For the intro, we just need to keep it simple. WesleyDodds 02:09, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Messed up

I can't make head or tails of what happened when, but the current state is messed up :( Do a Ctrl-F "cock" to see what I mean. Also the picture. And so on.

Wow... This whole page is really horrible. Somebody needs to do some work...

[edit] Grunge group?

Hello, i suggest that STP be removed from the Grunge group category it is currently in right now mainly because they weren't really a grunge group though they arguably fashioned themseleves on their debut album as such. these guys were from LA and as time progressed, showed that they were really a hard rock band what with their hooks and tight song structure. 210.4.28.159 13:18, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

it seems that the story as it stands now skips from 1997 to 2003. does anyone know what happened then? apparently something, they released two albums. Iriefrank 05:59, 25 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I fleshed it out to show that they existed between 1997 and 2003. DaveTheRed 02:12, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] STP Motor Oil?

The line "Wanting to keep the band's initials, they came up with Stone Temple Pilots, after seeing the STP Motor Oil Company logo" makes no sense. How does motor oil inspire that name? And from what I've heard, the motor oil had nothing to do with it. -- LGagnon 05:54, Mar 15, 2005 (UTC)

Hmm, here it says that that their producer influenced them to pick "Stone Temple Pilots" because it sounded cool.

http://www.mmguide.musicmatch.com/whatsup/whatsup.cgi?s=namelyspeaking&a=0601_stp&type=

How about it? --Iriefrank

This link mentions the motor oil (try google for more, obviously) http://www.ticketspecialists.com/concert/stone_temple_pilots_tickets.htm --thealliedhacker

I don't have it with me to do proper citations, but there was a fan book made soon after Tiny Music... (or maybe after Purple, I forget now) that came with an interview cd and such. It's a great product for you fans, look into it. Anyways, it does cover the evolution of the band name, and to pull from memory after they were declined the name "Mighty Joe Young" (which they wanted in reference to having memories of watching the older movie by that name), they decided that they liked the initials STP. The reason, again per my memory of reading the book I don't have on hand (I can get it later), was that the oil company would give out promo stickers and, per one of the DeLeos, "it was bitchin' to have an STP sticker on your bike when we were young", or something along those lines. They started of as Shirley Temple's Pussy, got complaints. They moved on to Stinky Toilet Paper, and then they decided this made for bad marketing. With no reference in the book to anything of pertaining to stereos or piracy, they then settled on Stone Temple Pilots, which came ex nihilo during a brain-storming session.--Sethomas 00:37, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't easily swallow the evolution of the band's name. Any kind of citations, even images of early concert fliers, demo CD covers, etc. would go a long way toward changing the stated history of the naming and renaming history of STP from what really sounds like confused or combined urban myth to an interesting irrefutably factual story. Although another contributor to the talk mentioned the name Shirley Temples Pussy, I would really, especially as an outsider, want some backup to prove that one—citation of an article somewhere, a book, whatever. Not that I distrust anyone, just that I've seen too many examples of non-verifiable word-of-mouth stories become official history. If the story is here, it should be official and correct and backed up. At this point there is no backup whatsoever to this naming history.

peterr 14:27, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] After...After...etc.

Stone Temple Pilots (abbreviated STP) was a popular rock band, formed in 1990, after Scott Weiland and Robert DeLeo met at a Black Flag concert in Long Beach, California, after discovering they were dating the same woman.

This is not really good writing. The rest seems like it was pulled from the same fan book with whole sentences intact. Objectivity fails in bold:

In October of that year, suggestive pictures of Weiland and Courtney Love surfaced and, luckily for Weiland, Hustler publisher Larry Flynt refused to publish the pictures.

Overall this is just too subjective and I don't believe some of the things stated, like how STP came about its name. I can't argue that the rest of the information is bad, but it needs to be presented in a more dispassionate, professional tone. STP deserves better. (Completely subjective statement there I admit. But hey, we're talking about STP!)

peterr 10 September 05

[edit] Tumble In The Rough

I can't beleive Tumble In The Rough was forgot on the singles list. I added it.

Xanarki 16 September 05

[edit] Black Flag concert in 1990?

How could they meet at Black Flag's concert? The band disbanded in 1986!

[edit] Pretty Penny

Was on Purple, not Tiny Music. Too lazy to investigate further and correct it myself.

[edit] STP

pretty penny was on purple.

this is a dictionary. i understand they toured as shirley temples pussy for awhile. why not include it,?

Caleb Parks 11:15, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Though generally not regarded as a metal band, I believe that the band's style on the album No. 4 is more metallic than hard rock. For example, the song "Down" is much heavier than track that Stone Temple Pilots ever released. Because of this, I am including heavy metal with their styles. It is probably best just to call them a band rather than "hard rock" or rock so that debate ends.

That's a POV observation; it's not citable and therefore we don't have to label STP as heavy metal in the article. WesleyDodds 02:09, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Black Flag concert in 1987"

This isn't possible. Black Flag broke up in 1986.

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:STPtshangra.jpg

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[edit] Rewrite with references

Apparently the biggest concern with this article is that it doesn't have any references. Not having written it all, I can't vouch for the validity of its content. If some other users approve, I'll completely rewrite the page, with references, based on the 30+ magazine articles I have access to written about the band. Earliest is from 1992, latest is from 2006, so there's a lot of information in them from all points of the band's history. And they're from fairly well known magazines like Rolling Stone etc. TheDukey 07:42, 27 August 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheDukey (talk • contribs) 07:30, August 27, 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Controversy

Years ago, the Stone Temple Pilots were often accused of ripping off Pearl Jam. This controversy should be mentioned in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.129.168.18 (talk) 10:14, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Documentary

STP filmed and began work on a documentary for their final release Shangri la de da there should be some mention of that if sources other than youtube can be found and used. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5s4pVE-2xQ

[edit] Charting Songs

Someone keeps on changing the "Charting Songs" chart to show that numerous STP songs charted on the Billboard Hot 100. "Sour Girl" is the only STP song to have charted on the Hot 100 (at #78) so keep it that way! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jampilot (talk • contribs) 17:19, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Post-grunge?

STP sounds nothing like those bands. Creed, Nickelback, Three Days Grace, etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.164.135.215 (talk) 02:11, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Psychadelic Rock Not an appropriate genre for the group. They had elements of it in their sound, however, they were by no means a psychadelic rock band. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.67.143.18 (talk) 18:13, 22 May 2008 (UTC)