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[edit] Purdy

-- I have to admit upfront that I have a bias--I live in Stockton and am pro-Stockton. I agree with you that this information should be in the Stockton article. However, I believe that the way this information is presented, particularly with its own title and section, is a bit too much and should be toned down.

-- Bad information about other cities is not presented as "obnoxiously." For example, look at Modesto, CA, and note that certain individuals are listed under famous people, and there is brief mention of interesing items under "interesting facts".StknCPA 20:58, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

-- Note that the threat that was issued was vague and did not include any information about what school was to be targeted. That is an important piece of information that needs to be retained. Everyone in town refers to it as the Swain School Shooting. Are you hellbent against Stockton or did someone close to you die at Cleaveland E.? ".EthicalHacker

[edit] Methamphetimine and Car Theft

-- I removed the claim that Stockton has more Meth addicts in its population than other cities. No sources cited. Also the car theft claim conflicts with several other studies and lists from the FBI and state of California - at least cite the particular source please.

[edit] Transportation

With all due respect, 69.225.254.28 -- your edits are not in accordance with reality (not to mention that it is also much more clearly non-NPOV):

  • Stockton does not have the worst transportation system in the world, but calling it "an excellent and unmatched transportation system connecting the city to the rest of the nation" is nothing short of an exaggeration that has no bearing with reality. That description fits better with Chicago, with St. Louis, with Denver, with a lot of other cities with imperfect transportation systems, for sure, better than Stockton. I know that I have a lot of problems going between Stockton and San José, even, by rail or by bus (and certainly air is not available!).
  • Stockton's highway system is uncongested? Have you seen the 5/4 interchange at commute time? Have you seen the Highway 99/Hammer interchange at commute time? It's certainly not got the congestion of the Bay Area, but calling it "uncongested" is wrong.
  • Stockton is clearly minutes away from 205 and 580, but minutes away from 80? What kind of driving can you do to get to 80 within minutes?

I see no justification at all in what you wrote. If you disagree, please provide reasoning on why I am wrong before you consider reverting. --Nlu 00:48, 13 August 2005 (UTC)


I call BS on the following:

George W. Bush Elementary School, located in north Stockton, is the first public school in the nation to be named for a sitting president.

I personally attended Kennedy JHS [1], which was named after JFK in 1963 (PRIOR to his assassination). I'm sure there are plenty of others as well. Maybe this particular GWB school is the first school named after THIS particular sitting president.


--Agree that the above claim about GWB Elementary School being the first public school named after a sitting president is most likely BS. Herbert Hoover High School (Glendale) in 1929 was one. Another possible one was Calvin Coolidge Elementary School ([2]). Whoever claimed that about GWB Elementary School should at least site his sources. --User:felixksw 12:20, 25 February 2007

[edit] Unencyclopedic info

I deleted this:

=A Stocktonian's Public Opinion=
"Stockton has improved greatly over the last few years with the great additions of the improvements :to the waterfront, the new cinema, and the beautiful Stockton Arena, but still much is needed to :make this city great."-M.D.

It is just some random person's opinion. The person isn't even named - they're only identified as "M.D." Who is this mysterious M.D., and why is their opinion relevant? What makes M.D. an authoritative source of information? This strikes me as unencyclopedic, subjective and definitely POV. Stlom 02:26, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vists from the stars

The article mentions the vists of George W. Bush and Gov. Arnold. This is not really accurate. They did not "vist" the city, did not address the public or any of that nonsense. They both came (twice each) for benefit dinners with local billionare Alex G. Spanos. I wouldn't cite these vists in Stockton's Wikipedia entry. They should go under AG Spanos.

-- Actually, Bush came and spent a substantial amount of time in Stockton. The Record has a Bush visits Stockton section all about it. Clinton came too. They were part of the Pombo/McNerney debates, so maybe those references could go under their entries also. --Recordnet

-- Yes, Arnold Schwarzenegger has spoken publically in Stockton, CA. From the news:

Dear Californian,

Please join Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger this weekend at the following location as he makes announcements to the people of California regarding the State’s Budget.

Sunday, July 18, 2004, 1 p.m. Sherwood Mall - Food Court 5308 Pacific Avenue Stockton, California

[edit] I have a request.

Will someone please slip in a nice picture of the city's skyline in the article? Or a picture of something awsome in Stockton?


 It is requested that a photograph or photographs be included in this article to improve its quality.

Wikipedians in San Joaquin County, California may be able to help!
The Free Image Search Tool (FIST) may be able to locate suitable images on Flickr and other web sites.

-- how about a demographics section as well, thats one major thing missing.. LoveBus 14:18, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Demographics section sucks...

28% white? 48% Latino? where the fuck'd you get those statistics? And how the hell would you know? Put a goddamn reference section, you stupid brainless moron... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.19.141.82 (talk) 05:26, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

I believe USC Coack Pete Carroll attended/graduated from Univ of Pacific —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.125.26.74 (talk) 02:29, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Foreclosures

Stockton currently has the second-highest housing foreclosure rate of any US city. That would need a source, of course (CNBC just cited one), but if anyone wants to add something, the housing crunch might be a place to start.-DMCer™ 20:56, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] removing unreferenced and incorrect material

I've again removed the trivia section "Notable stocktonians". This removal was previously reverted with the comment that "All link to referenced articles".

References need to be here; Wikipedia is not it's own reference. Further, there's at least one red link and several articles that aren't referenced. There are people who are listed who, according to their Wikipedia article don't actually live in Stockton, don't show a place of residence in their article, or were not born in Stockton. -- Mikeblas (talk) 16:20, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

I reinserted the list after going to the articles of a couple, such as James Budd, who do mention a longerm stay in Stockton. I'm not sure which one of them aren't from stockton, but some are, so could you look through the ones that you found that aren't from Stockton and remove those? Okiefromokla questions? 01:46, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Actually, I just went through nearly all of the people, and did not find one of their articles that failed to specify the person either attending UOP, living in, or being born in Stockton. What is it that you saw? Okiefromokla questions? 01:50, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Dave Brubeck is not from Stockton, for example. I've removed the material again, as it remains unreferenced. -- Mikeblas (talk) 02:42, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Normally, I'd agree with you. But this article is obviously incomplete and not adequately referenced by any stretch, so there's no need to remove anything unsourced if it's reasonable (Most are clearly from Stockton, as evident in their articles). Someone is bound to come along, take the references from the respective articles, and put them here. Then it can be integrated into the article or subarticles. Simply removing all of this material does little good; it only prevents it from being used later on. Unless the article improves to the point where this would hamper efforts for GA or FA nomination (which won't be any time soon) there's really no reason to delete it, is there? Okiefromokla questions? 05:04, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Even referenced, it's still trivia in this article. If you look at the American City articles that are GA or FA, you'll find that they don't have trivia in them. -- Mikeblas (talk) 02:56, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
If it's not referenced anyone can remove it. Removing it = challenging it. It should not be put back without references, per wp:v and wp:blp, two of WP's most important policies. -- Jeandré, 2008-04-06t13:29z

[edit] Population

This source from the California Department of Finance lists the 2007 population estimate at 289,789. However, the population listed in the article differs — in fact, it's different in the infobox and the Demographics section as well. I also cannot find a reliable population density statistic. Someone with a knack for detective work needs to find those data and correct or amend them in the article. haz (talk) 16:45, 25 April 2008 (UTC)